Kim Vopni (00:01.549)
Hi Trina, welcome to the podcast. I think you found me on Instagram, I don't even remember how we connected, you talk a lot. My additional passion is skincare. So I'm excited to learn more about what got you into the world of clean beauty. I had two business partners before and they, like we used to,
Trina (00:10.176)
talk a lot my additional passion is skincare. So I'm excited to learn more.
Kim Vopni (00:28.791)
talk about what we like to have in our skincare. we always said we were gonna make a line called shit free. We never did, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So tell us a little bit about who you are and what got you into this line of work.
Trina (00:34.965)
my gosh. Well, I'm ready. Let's do it.
Trina (00:44.96)
Yeah, no, that's a great name because that's my attitude too. So it'd be perfect. Yeah, I my background is in nursing. was a nurse for now it's over 30 years. I have a master's degree in anesthesia. I just graduated from anesthesia school in 2007. Getting married, my husband and I fiance at the time decided we were going to go to Fiji because I was turning 40 at the time. And we went to Fiji to get married. And I assumed I was going to have a hard time getting pregnant because I
pretty much had suffered from irregular periods all my life. And we went to Fiji, got married, got pregnant on the honeymoon, super excited, came back, started working, and I miscarried at week seven. And it was the miscarriage that literally sparked something inside of me to say to my husband, let's look at everything that we can control in our environment and clean it up. Because if there's something that I can control,
that's making me not healthy, I wanna do it. So we changed our laundry detergent, we changed our cleaning supplies, air fresheners, we did all of those things, but it never dawned on me that my personal care products were contaminated with products or ingredients that were neurotoxins, they cause cancer, and they're also hormone disruptors that can actually impact fertility or pregnancy. So we...
Kim Vopni (01:54.38)
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Kim Vopni (02:01.751)
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We are.
Trina (02:11.32)
ditched everything, we made the switch. I was seven weeks pregnant with our daughter. And that's when I realized what I was putting on my skin was really polluting my body. So I decided at that point, I was going to throw everything that was bad for me in the garbage, which was basically everything. So I was really excited because I worked in the OR. So it didn't matter as much because in the operating room, wear, you know, hats that come down to almost to your eyebrows and you wear the mask that goes over your, all they see is your eyes anyway.
Kim Vopni (02:13.642)
Switch, I was seven weeks pregnant with our daughter.
Trina (02:41.632)
So was like, okay, that's all right. I had acne all my life, still suffered with it. So I made the switch. I just started making all my own products and my skin cleared up for the first time ever and looked better than it had looked ever. So that's literally how I got into skincare. I literally threw everything out and just said, if I can make it, I'll make it myself.
Kim Vopni (03:06.253)
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Sorry, I feel like I can hear an echo on my side. I'm just gonna turn on my echo cancellation. We'll carry on. It's not gonna affect anything, but just hang on one second.
Trina (03:15.33)
Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I thought I heard something.
Kim Vopni (03:21.849)
it says it can't change it while I'm recording. Okay. We'll just carry on. Okay. So you start making your own products. So I guess where, like, how did you start learning about what products were even toxic or not good for you?
Trina (03:39.352)
I just started looking at the ingredient labels. That's really the, that's what I tell people to start with. Just start looking at the label, the ingredient list, because you need to recognize whether something, you know, looks like a chemical or could be toxic and just start doing your investigation. That's what I did. And as a nurse, I knew that anything that was chemical based was going to alter my body.
but potentially could cross the placenta. So anyone that is of childbearing age, it's very important, but it also affects your hormones and the hormone disruptors that are in skincare products. There's so many of them, but they impact us from all ages, childhood all the way through death. So they're impacting women of childbearing age, but also causing some women to have menopausal symptoms when they wouldn't really have menopausal symptoms.
So, yeah, that's what I did.
Kim Vopni (04:39.585)
What are some of the ingredients that we would want to, I mean, I think a lot of people will have heard about parabens, BPA. What are some of the other ingredients that we would want to be on the lookout for?
Trina (04:52.418)
The biggest offenders are parabens, you said, phallates and the other ones, fragrance, anything that says fragrance on it. It really should be per essential oil. Essential oils are okay. And some brands will put fragrance in the note that they're using natural oils, but fragrance typically means a cocktail of chemicals. So there's a vat of like 3,500 chemicals that companies can use.
to make up what they call their scent and they don't have to disclose what's in that. And sometimes those fragrances are made up of 10, 12, 14, 20 chemicals themselves. So I did, I redid the math. I, you know, I Googled, know, Dr. Google tells us everything we want to know these days. And if you Google how many skincare or how many chemicals do women absorb through their skin every single day, Dr. Google hasn't updated.
I think he's been saying the same thing for 25 years. He says 168 women use about 12 products and they put about 168 products or chemicals on their skin every day. So I thought I'm going to update the math. I'm going to redo this and figure out how many because 20 years ago the products we were using were formulated differently. They weren't using as many parabens. They weren't using as many different ingredients and fragrances.
It wasn't as bad, you know, 20 years ago, but fast forward to today. And there's so many more chemicals that people are that brands are using. So I redid the math and I figure approximately each product or most products on the market have between 20 and 40 chemicals because you have to consider the fragrance. If it's got fragrance in it's going to have more. If it's got water, water based products.
Kim Vopni (06:36.473)
20, 20, come on.
Trina (06:47.468)
Water is usually top water and it's going to be contaminated with drug waste including birth control pills, anti-depressants, thyroid medication, have to think of what people are on, heavy metals and then pesticide runoff or environmental runoff so pesticides, herbicides, glyphosate, you name it. that's not even, you know, when you go to the EWG or Think Dirty or Yucca, my clients that work with me don't need those apps and I won't let them use them because they're not taking into consideration that.
Kim Vopni (06:56.483)
Wow!
Trina (07:17.112)
But the other piece of it is what's it housed in? What's it being packaged in? Most of the time it's plastic and the plasticizers in plastic will leach and contaminate the product. when I redid the math, each product has between 20 and 40 chemicals and women today use approximately 20 to 25 products every single day because you have to include makeup, hair products, body products, dental products.
If you're wearing nails or nail polish, that's a daily dose. So you have to include that as well. So if you do the math on just 20 products a day, even if you're going 20 chemicals in each, you're absorbing over 400 chemicals every day. And we're wondering why we're getting sicker. We're getting menopausal symptoms earlier. There's so many women that can't get pregnant and there's brain fog, all these
disease that's going on and no one's talking about a root cause is that our skin is our second gut and you're literally eating all of that poison every single day and expecting to get healthy or be healthy.
Kim Vopni (08:28.115)
Mm-hmm. my god, my mind is blown. The fact I had never even considered the water, ever. I feel like I look at labels, I care about labels, I've been doing that for quite a while, but I never, no one has ever said that. Never even thought about it.
Trina (08:43.992)
There's two problems with water. I've been talking about water and skincare for the past probably 12 years. I was the first one to talk about water being tap water and being contaminated. But the second piece of that isn't just the fact that it's making you sick because you are going to absorb some part of whatever is in the products that you're using. The second piece of that is that water actually dehydrates your skin.
So if it's a product that's supposed to hydrate or moisturize your skin and it's got water in it, it's not gonna hydrate or moisturize your skin. It's actually gonna pull moisture out of your skin. It's gonna cause premature aging because dehydrated skin will show wrinkles and discolorations and won't be able to detox properly. So it's gonna be more congested. So your skin's going to look more sick, if you will, or toxic, if you will.
Kim Vopni (09:40.698)
The other thing that I've heard not so much with water, but with hyaluronic acid. Hyaluronic acid is something that is in my world with regards to pelvic health and vaginal moisturizers. Hyaluronic acid is something we produce in our bodies less as we age, it helps, you know, attract retain more moisture. But I've also read that because of that effect kind of I think maybe mimicking what you've just said with water, we think it would be a good thing but but it can actually
the opposite and contribute to dehydration? you like what would your comments be on hyaluronic acid?
Trina (10:14.29)
So it can contribute to both. The problem is that most hyaluronic acid is water-based. So you're going to be in a water-based product, which is going to potentially dehydrate the skin or dehydrate the area that you're trying to hydrate. So it kind of does the opposite. There is good or oil-based hyaluronic acid. However, that's not what is being used in products. It's kind of like
it's because it's a little it's more expensive. And of course, anything that's not going to be water based is going to be more expensive because most if water is listed as the first ingredient, and I've looked at thousands of recipes or formulas, I formulate all my own products that I make. And when water is listed as the first ingredient, it's between 70 and 90 % water. So that's the biggest problem with hyaluronic acid.
being that it's gonna be in a water-based, most of the time it's in a water-based formula.
Kim Vopni (11:15.353)
And then again, it's the dirty water basically.
Trina (11:17.762)
And not only that, when so when you have water in a product, you have to have emulsifiers because the good stuff is going to be lipid soluble or oil based. And then you have to have heavy duty preservatives to ward off because water is going to breed bacteria. And then you need fillers and thickeners and other agents in there. So all of those things that I just mentioned, along with the water are they're not necessary. They're completely.
not necessary for a product and they're not going to do the body any good. They're not actually doing what you want the product, what you're buying the product for. The reason that you're really buying the product is all the good stuff like the good oils, the nutrients that you know, that's what's going to heal the body. That's what's going to make it healthier. So it's, it's really discouraging when you look at the beauty industry and women are like, you've got so many people
Kim Vopni (12:02.573)
Right.
Trina (12:14.336)
in the industry, influencers that are promoting so many different products, whether it's for your face, whether it's for your body, whether it's for your vagina, it doesn't. But most of them have no idea how to formulate and what they're really looking at. And as a consumer, it's really hard because then the brands I call brand washing are telling you that they're used like we're natural, we use natural ingredients or we're organic or green.
But when I look at what they're doing and what they're using, it's not the same. And it's really brand washing or green washing because an ingredient that started out say is coconut oil. Sure, that's natural. all, everyone gets how healthy coconut oil is. By the time you process it and heavily process it and then the processing you're using chemicals, chemical reactions to process it down to something
that no longer resembles anything that that original plant was. So to call something natural when it's been highly processed is like going to McDonald's to buy French fries to slather on your face. Because that's literally the same thing. It's basically fast food for your face. And brands are using that language. And of course, the average consumer has no idea that they're still being poisoned. It's that false sense of security. You know, you
Kim Vopni (13:27.673)
you
Trina (13:40.382)
slap on an SPF of 16 you're like I'm good for the day I'm just gonna go to the beach and then you end up fried and you wonder why well it's because SPF 60 is not meant to really be you know out in the sun all day you still have to take other measures and it's the same thing you you know you really have to do your homework you really as a consumer I read a study recently and it was about ingredients
Kim Vopni (14:00.621)
I read a study recently.
Trina (14:05.696)
and hormone disruptors in skincare products. And it was really eye opening. It's the first time I've ever seen a study say that in their conclusion, yes, there's a lot of bad ingredients in products and it's literally the consumer's responsibility to do their homework and know what's good and what's not. And I was like, well, this is great for me. This is great news for me because I like to educate people. But that's really sad when
Kim Vopni (14:08.761)
Bye.
you
Yes, there
Kim Vopni (14:26.881)
Wow. Yeah.
Kim Vopni (14:34.67)
Yeah.
Trina (14:35.456)
A research, you know, is saying, yes, it's all bad. So you need to know. You need to know this stuff.
Kim Vopni (14:43.681)
It's interesting that the timing of us talking as well as what's happening in the United States right now with the Maha movement. And so there there's a lot of people bringing light to the poisoning of the food system, the food chain and pointing out, you know, why does Heinz ketchup in the United States versus, you know, same company producing it for the UK? Why is the label so different? And it will be I would be hopeful if I were you that this will also translate into the beauty industry as well.
when somebody is bringing light.
Trina (15:13.71)
Well, that's funny Kim because I'm gonna make it translate. I've been saying, make America healthy again. Maha has to include skincare. It has to include beauty products, your skin's your second gut. You absorb approximately 60 % of what you put on your skin within 30 to 60 seconds. And we know this because as a nurse, I've worked in plenty of ERs or ORs where we will do, know, topical medications. For instance,
Kim Vopni (15:33.72)
Wow.
Trina (15:43.298)
when someone comes into the ER and they've got chest pain, one of the first things we do is slap on a paste on a paper on the chest or the arm that has nitroglycerin. And nitroglycerin is going to vasodilate the vessels of the heart to increase blood flow, increase oxygen to reduce that chest pain. We know that it works very quickly and you absorb it because within about 30 to 60 seconds, we can see your heart rate and your blood pressure come down. So the same thing goes for whatever, you your skin's your second gut.
The difference, here's the big difference between your, when you eat something and when you eat it through your skin is when you eat something into your digestive system, you have a protective organ and the blood will go from the portal vein through the portal vein into the liver to detoxify the blood. So it's going to convert, we call it first pass through the liver and through first pass through the liver, the liver tries to cleanse.
Kim Vopni (16:21.825)
is when you eat something into your...
Kim Vopni (16:38.841)
The liver tries to cleanse.
Trina (16:42.838)
the majority of the blood and convert water soluble, which is most of the chemicals that you absorb into oil soluble or while I said it backwards, oil soluble into water soluble so you can excrete it in your urine and your feces. The difference is when you absorb it through your skin or your gums. So we're talking dental products to gums or your skin. You're absorbing these
Kim Vopni (16:46.137)
which is most of the chemicals that you absorb into oil soluble, or I said it backwards, oil soluble into water soluble so you can excrete it in your urine and your feces. The difference is when you absorb it through your skin or your gums, so we're talking dental products too, gums or your skin, you're absorbing these toxins or nutrients, know, pick your poison, it's either good or it's bad, being absorbed into your vasculine blood.
Trina (17:07.042)
toxins or nutrients, you know, it's pick your poison. It's either good or it's bad, but it's being absorbed into your vascular blood and this vascular blood is going to your lungs to be reoxygenated. All of it goes back to your lungs gets reoxygenated goes right to your heart, which is why heart disease is directly linked to oral health and then from your heart, it's being pumped everywhere including a good portion of it goes to your brain because your carotids are right there and a good portion goes directly to your brain.
Kim Vopni (17:15.329)
And this vasculin...
Kim Vopni (17:20.127)
Back to your lawn, skids re-oxygenated, goes right to your...
Trina (17:36.278)
So that's the problem is that it's not going to your liver. These toxins are just traveling throughout your body full force. And when you become over toxic, this is a big problem for women because we use so much like men are toxic too, but not near as much as us. But when you become so toxic, you're using four or five, 600 chemicals every single day. Your liver can't keep up. It's not even passing through the liver. A lot of it.
Kim Vopni (17:48.429)
big problem for women because we use cell wax. Men are toxic too, but not here as much.
using four, five, six hundred chemicals.
Trina (18:04.246)
your body has to create some way to keep your brain safe. So what it does, regardless of whether you're eating healthy, working out on a calorie deficit, it will produce fat to store these chemicals. Whether you need the fat or think you need the fat or not, you have to have a storage place because when your blood becomes so concentrated, that's when you get the symptoms that everyone goes to the doctor's for, the headaches.
the brain fog the fatigue you know that all of those things the menopausal symptoms the night sweats the hot flashes and your body tries to protect you by create or just producing more fat to store these chemicals. The way to shut the faucet off that's what I teach shut the faucet off as soon as you shut the faucet up and you make the switch your body will just naturally detox it's just like doing anesthesia I always like to.
Kim Vopni (18:39.513)
you
Kim Vopni (18:48.206)
Heh.
Trina (19:02.08)
say it's very similar to doing anesthesia. When we want you to go to sleep, we turn the faucet on and we let it run the entire time we want you to be asleep. So that's every day you're putting your products on your continuously the faucets running. The minute we want you to wake up or quickly if we want you to wake up, we shut the faucet off, we shut the gas off. And as as the blood starts to decrease the concentration of the anesthetic, it will pull because the
Kim Vopni (19:26.457)
starts to decrease concentration of the anesthetic, it will pull because the anesthetic seeps into your fat tissue, which is why you feel...
Trina (19:31.532)
the anesthetic seeps into your fat tissue, which is why you feel groggy for a couple days afterwards. But over time, as the blood level drops, it pulls from the fat tissue so your body can get rid of it. So this is the exact same process for personal care product toxins that we need to get rid of so that we can finally make America healthy again.
Kim Vopni (19:48.194)
This is the exact same process for personal care.
Kim Vopni (19:54.809)
that we.
Okay, so there's a new weight loss diet of skincare detox basically, right?
Trina (20:03.456)
Seriously, mean, it's, it's, I've had so many clients or a couple clients that said that they really struggled with losing weight, and they couldn't figure out why because they were eating healthy and doing all the things right. And it wasn't until they literally switched their skincare products, you know, and it makes sense. It's like eating McDonald's every day. Why do think you're ever going to lose weight, you're getting those bad oils, you know, canola and all the other seed oils on top of the
the fat and the bad fats and the, you all the other bad ingredients. When you make the switch to vegetables and whole foods and, you know, good meats, you sometimes can eat the same amount, but you'll feel, first of all, you'll feel better, but then you'll also start losing weight because your body doesn't feel like it has to hold on. It doesn't have to create and hold on. can let go.
Kim Vopni (20:55.661)
You mentioned seed oils and that's something that is, it's the new fad. There's always something that now every influencer is talking about. so some seed oils I see in skincare products, sunflower seed oil, for instance. So what, like, does it apply? The same principle of seed oils being not favorable for our health when consumed. We also don't want them in our skincare.
Trina (21:21.39)
That's a great question. The best way to answer that is yes. I avoid anything that you wouldn't eat. So I always say if you open up your face serum and you wouldn't dump it on your salad, you look at the ingredients and go, oh yeah, I would never eat that. Then you shouldn't put it on your skin. Those ingredients like canola, they do use, and by the way, canola is also known as rape seed. So if you see rape seed, that's canola oil in your skincare.
And some people will try and tell you, it's a little different and it's okay. But in reality, if it's gonna cause inflammation when it gets in through your gut, it's gonna cause inflammation when it gets in through your skin. It's the same type of thing. It's inflammatory.
Kim Vopni (22:05.859)
Okay, and so now I'm gonna go up to my cabinet and I'm gonna look at anything that's got water to all the things that I have that I know I feel like I've been pretty good, but now I'm like, maybe I haven't been so good. I have to go and look. But what would you say from a a skincare routine perspectives? There are some protocols that have, you know, 10 different layers and things that you're and I'm pretty I've always been.
Trina (22:10.35)
Sorry, sorry. I've just ruined you.
Kim Vopni (22:31.577)
I wear my hair in a ponytail every day. I don't wear lot of makeup. I'm pretty basic. I don't have a big routine, but I do love, I'm a minimalist. Yes, I'm a minimalist, but I do like, I'm wondering, ooh, is that serum good for me? I like serums. I like oils. I like all the things. So what would your ideal be for optimal skin health from a routine perspective?
Trina (22:37.036)
You're a minimalist.
Trina (22:54.082)
I've always been very simple. keep it simple and I'm a minimalist as well. And in any of, in my program and what I teach is less is more. In fact, when you're using the right ingredients or products that have the right ingredients in them, you don't need much. I don't spend a lot of time in the bathroom. I don't use a lot of products, but what I'm smart with what I use. So, you know, most of my products, you don't need something for under the eyes.
You don't need something different for your neck. Most of the ingredients in a good product can go everywhere. So I will wash my face, a good cleanser that's not gonna strip off your natural oil, and you can spritz with a toner, a good toner. I like a tea-based, easy to make, a tea-based toner. If you want, you can skip that. You don't even need the toner. And then a moisturizer or a serum. I like to moisturize in the morning, serum at night.
And that's really it. It can literally be a two step in the morning. And then really like once a week or once every two weeks, I'll do like a face mask. And another day I will do a face, once a week I'll do a sugar scrub, which is an exfoliator. But the way I make my sugar scrub is it doubles as a face cleanser. So I swap out my cleanser for the sugar scrub, because it's like an oil, it's an oil base.
And so I swap it out and I'll do the sugar scrub and then the moisturizer or the serum after that. So it's very simple. If you make the switch to the right products, first of all, your skin's gonna love you. It's going to look so much better. It's probably gonna plump up, look healthier. And the color, the tone, discoloration sometimes fade. Age spots can fade. Dark circles, I've seen so many women with dark circles. Those can fade as well.
You have to also remember that dark circles and skin problems also signify problems with the liver. So it makes sense that if you were using 400 chemicals a day and you shut the faucet off, that your dark circles and the discolorations would go away because your liver is happy. Your liver is like, my gosh, thank you. I can take a breather now. So it just makes sense that your skin is going to look better when you shut the faucet off.
Kim Vopni (25:18.797)
Yeah, I'm guilty of over exfoliating. like exfoliating because I like the way that my skin feels afterwards. It feels smooth and clean, but that sounds like something that I'm probably overdoing based on what you're saying.
Trina (25:30.81)
You know, not necessarily. I've sometimes done the sugar scrub a couple days in a row. I always say that just go with what your skin is telling you. And if it's overdoing it, you'll know because it'll be red, it'll be dry, it'll be irritated. But again, if you're using the right products, you know, you, you don't have to always go by the book of what what they say. Derma planing, derma planing. I don't know if you've ever had derma planing done or if you've ever done it. Yeah, that's a great way to do a good exfoliator. And then you get that baby.
soft smooth face because you got rid of them.
Kim Vopni (26:02.221)
Yeah, it feels amazing, but I'm not convinced that your hair's not gonna grow back. Like, I feel like I've done it a couple times and I'm like, do I have more face, like hair around my lips? I don't know, I still feel like it's shaving and it's gonna come back thicker and more abundant.
Trina (26:14.03)
Yeah, no, I haven't had that problem. I've been doing it for a couple years. And typically, yeah, you don't get that. I know that's the fear. That's what a lot of women fears. Oh, my God, I'm going to shave my face. I'm going end up with a beard. I don't want the beard. And yeah, that doesn't really happen. That's just a myth.
Kim Vopni (26:23.917)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. So I want to come back now to from an ingredient perspective, you were talking about hormone disruption and a lot of people who would be listening to this podcast are in that perimenopause post menopause phase of life where perimenopause there's a lot of there's a shitstorm happening with your hormones. And you're what you're saying is this could be a major contributor to that as well. Of course, there's physiologic changes that are happening. But how do these toxins
what actually is happening that can make them disrupt our hormones.
Trina (27:06.567)
They mimic or they block the your own hormones in ways that then either make cause the symptoms to cause you to actually even have symptoms or they make make your symptoms worse. Let me put it this way. I was 40 years old when I made the switch to clean products and I've been very like I I'm one of those people that walk the talk and I do what I preach.
So for 10 years before I went through menopause at the age of 50. And so I had detoxed my body. I was very clean as far as personal care products go and food. I mean, I'm a very clean living person. I suffered with infertility and irregular periods and acne and all of the things, brain fog, fatigue, all of those things before I made the switch. Once I made the switch, a lot of that went away.
When I went through menopause, actually right after I made this switch, was about a year later, for the first time in my life, I was 41. And for the first time in my life, there might be too much information for some people. But for the first time in my life, my periods were like clockwork. And I was like, what is going on? This is so weird. Like I'm 41. And they were clockwork until I call it the day I went through menopause, because it was the day that I was like, huh, I guess I'm in menopause. I'm done. This is it.
I didn't have one hot flash. I didn't have one, you know, night sweat, no brain fog, no weight gain, none of the symptoms. I literally lost my period and that was it. It wasn't even like pretending to go for a little while and then coming back. It literally went and I was like, okay, interesting. But it makes sense because I wasn't bombarding my body with these mixed messages.
Kim Vopni (28:47.958)
You
Trina (29:01.504)
And that's what they are. They're mixed messages. You put on a plethora of hormone disrupting ingredients on your body. Your body doesn't know what to do. It doesn't know whether it's supposed to turn this on or turn this off, and this signal's getting blocked. It gets very confusing. So I'm not here to say that no one will have any menopausal symptoms if you make the switch, but wouldn't that be amazing?
Kim Vopni (29:20.121)
So I'm not sure to say that.
Trina (29:28.842)
if you could, like if that's all you had to do is switch your skincare and some of your symptoms would go away or get better. I mean, for me, it's totally worth it and makes sense because you're then you know you're on the right track and you're getting healthier and you don't have to take those. You know, sometimes you don't have to do the extra stuff that's needed.
Kim Vopni (29:32.953)
Some of your symptoms would go away.
Kim Vopni (29:43.576)
Yeah.
Kim Vopni (29:49.4)
Yeah. There seems to be an abundance of people with a lot of filler in their faces. And I don't I know there's, know, there are hyaluronic acid based ones, but I still feel like there are chemicals in these and, and then there's Botox as well. I have had Botox in my life. So what, where do we, I pretty much know your answer, but
Those are also sources of toxins are also things that our body is going to have to manage and navigate.
Trina (30:21.806)
Yeah, 100 % both of them. The fillers actually use a strain of bacteria and it's not well known, but there's usually it's typically and I can't remember what the strain of bacteria is that's being used for fillers. But and on top of that, you're injecting something that's not normally in your body. So there's always going to be an inflammatory response. Your body's always going to be trying to either get rid of it, fight it or figure out what to do with it.
And then, you you've got the fillers not breaking down or migrating. So then you've got some of that disfigurement that can come in. Botox is an interesting one. I mean, it's a neurotoxin. It causes a lot of other things that people don't realize. One of those things is anxiety and depression. And nobody talks about that. But a lot of women that get Botox end up with anxiety and depression and don't even realize that that's what the cause is.
So that's just another problem. yeah, both of those. There's things that you can do to mitigate lines and wrinkles. And honestly, what happens, it's a cycle. It's a cyclic thing. It's the hamster wheel. The beauty industry gets you on the hamster wheel. And, of course, the fillers were or are huge and they're trying to get younger and younger girls into fillers and Botox. They're calling it preventative or whatever.
But the problem is it's you start doing Botox. And fillers typically start with Botox a lot of women will start with Botox Botox paralyzes the muscle and i teach about the five pillars of healthy skin. Botox is literally stopping those from happening so what you're doing is paralyzing a muscle when there's no muscle movement.
The muscle movement is what stimulates blood flow. So it's going to stimulate oxygen, nutrients and detoxification. It's a big one people don't talk about. If there's no blood flow going, then there's nothing that can be detoxed and cleansed. but, and then it also stimulates collagen and elastin. So it's a double whammy when you start doing Botox because it's going to paralyze something and you're not going to get the effects. You're not going to get the
Kim Vopni (32:38.233)
you
Trina (32:41.324)
benefits of that muscle movement to stimulate collagen and elastin. And in the long run, you're going to end up with very thin skin that sags and you're going to end up the next step is they tell you need fillers. Okay, we can fix that we can put a little filler here we pull filler there. So now you're on the hamster wheel, you get fillers and then long term because you've got now getting saggy skin, Botox isn't going to stop the saggy skin.
Kim Vopni (32:54.969)
Mm.
Kim Vopni (33:01.56)
And then.
Trina (33:08.598)
it's making it worse because it's not increasing, you know, you're not maintaining blood flow and collagen and elastin. So now you need the Nip, Nick, top, Nick, tuck the, the facelift. And so you go get your facelift and then they tell you, you're like, gosh, I'm very thin. Okay. Well now you just need more fillers. So it's kind of like that. The, the hamster wheel that you wish you could have gotten off of, but you're still on. But the, you know, the good news is, is
Kim Vopni (33:15.705)
you
Kim Vopni (33:34.327)
Mm-hmm.
Trina (33:37.61)
you know, over time, you know, you can reverse the Botox. The fillers are a little sometimes they're a little harder because it's substance and your body, you know, sometimes they have to you have to actually get it surgically removed. And that's not easy either. So that's another thing to think about if anyone's out there going, I was thinking about getting filler. It's not as easy as you think to dissolve it or get rid of it. And there's sometimes disfiguration that comes with it.
Kim Vopni (33:57.398)
Mm-hmm.
Trina (34:06.87)
along with the toxicity on the body.
Kim Vopni (34:09.493)
And I was going to say there's probably toxicity or toxins in the what you're using to dissolve the filler. Yeah, yeah. I want to move to oral health, you had made a comment about how our oral health can be directly correlated with our with our heart health cardiovascular. So can you elaborate a little bit on the role? Like what what makes you passionate about also considering the oral health perspective?
Trina (34:15.246)
Oh, 100%. Yep. Yeah.
Trina (34:35.414)
Yeah, oral health happened because of my daughter.
My daughter at the age of two had a molar come in that had a defect in it. And so we took her to the dentist and he said, that's a natural cavity. It happened in utero. That tooth just developed with a natural cavity. So he was like, it's a big, it's a pretty significant defect. We'll put a temporary filling in it and the filling will fall out every two to three months. And every time it falls out, we'll have to drill and clean a little bit. I expect that we're going to have to pull the tooth within a year.
So I was leaving the dentist office. He says, don't worry, mom. We put a temporary filling in it. Now we just hope for the best. And I was like, wow, no, you have no idea. I'm not hoping for the best. So I went home. did my research and I found Dr. Weston A. Price. He was a dentist in the early 1900s. So many people know him from the Weston A. Price Foundation. But I did my I looked at.
all of the things that he found and I came up with a dental program and created a tooth powder and gum drops or gum serum for my daughter to use. And it literally kept that tooth healthy. That tooth fell out naturally 10 years later at the age of 12. And the original temporary filling that was supposed to only last two months was still in place because the tooth had remineralized. So yes, that's when I like when that happened is when I literally I realized
Kim Vopni (35:46.701)
Wow.
Trina (36:00.066)
He's right. If I keep using what I'm using, that tooth is going to be pulled within a year. So let me see. I I play games. Let me see if I can keep it, if I can fix it. So I did. But oral health is it's our gateway to internal health.
I can look in someone's mouth. If someone smiles, I know whether they have inflammation in their body, if they've got heart disease, if they've got any toxicity, because you can usually tell inside the mouth. The mouth is usually where things happen first and then other things happen. In fact, I believe that leaky gut syndrome actually started in the mouth. Leaky gum syndrome is usually first. That's when your gums become reddened and inflamed, they bleed.
Kim Vopni (36:37.891)
Huh.
Trina (36:43.766)
and then leaky gut syndrome happens and then you end up with leaky brain syndrome. But the correlation between heart health is that leaky gums that your gums are very, very, very vascular. So whether it's toxins that you're putting in your mouth because of food or dental products, or it's bacteria or pathogens that are getting into your gum tissue, as soon as you have
leaky, which basically means the junctures between the cells are wide enough that things that shouldn't pass through can now pass through. Then because your your bloodstream and many people are bleeding gums at this point, it's in the bleeding is a direct portal right into the vascular system. But if it's not bleeding, then they can travel in through the gum tissue and then into the bloodstream. But those toxins get into the bacteria gets into the bloodstream.
And then that blood, like I mentioned earlier, goes right back to your lungs and then to your heart. And that's why heart health is directly correlated because the heart, of course, feeds itself and, you know, it's got the vessels that are helping keep it oxygenated. And so that's why the plaque buildup in the vessels of the heart is directly, it's basically the same bacteria. It's the same type of plaque that's in the mouth. So that's the direct correlation.
Kim Vopni (38:08.259)
Huh.
Trina (38:10.892)
The other correlation is related to the bacteria. So when you don't have healthy bacteria inside your mouth and you know that because if you wake up with bad breath or have bad breath, that's a signal to you that you have an imbalance in good and bad bacteria. And when you have unhealthy bacteria inside the mouth, you can't make nitric oxide the way that you're supposed to. You're supposed to be able to make nitric oxide two different ways. One internally, which is enzymatically.
but the other 50 % gets produced inside your mouth from the healthy bacteria. And so if you eat something that has nitrates in it, and I'm not talking about hot dogs or bacon, I'm talking about beets and things like that, but if you eat something that has nitrates in it, your good bacteria will break it down into nitrites and then you swallow it and it gets converted in your gut to nitric oxide.
Kim Vopni (38:54.797)
Yeah
Trina (39:07.64)
but the bad unhealthy bacteria inside the mouth doesn't do that. So that's why heart health, know, people that they've actually did a study, there was a study about mouthwash and people that use alcohol-based mouthwashes have 25 % less nitric oxide production.
Kim Vopni (39:11.865)
you
Trina (39:23.938)
because of that reason that the alcohol-based mouthwashes are killing all bacteria. So they're killing your good bacteria. nitric oxide is directly needed. It's needed for sleep. It's needed for brain health, heart health. Heart health, it's gonna vasodilate and increase your blood flow. It's also for sexual health, reproductive health, erectile dysfunction for both men and women, vaginal health.
fertility and pregnancy all the way through immune system. So anyone that's not doesn't have healthy bacteria inside the mouth, you're at you're at risk for all of those other things.
Kim Vopni (40:01.945)
Mm hmm. I've been I had braces when I was younger and then it was back in the day where they didn't give you anything to maintain. So over the years my mouth shifted and I had a lot of crowding down below. I put it off, put it off and finally I could have gone braces or Invisalign and I chose Invisalign and then didn't think about it actually initially. But now I'm just like I got microplastics microplastic like every time I put it in the Invisalign and so I'm kind of like gosh. But so I guess
That's I'm committed. I'm in that. But what could I do? I already use no fluoride, you know, the natural toothpaste, but it sounds like there are other things that I could do to help optimize my gum health and oral health.
Trina (40:47.022)
love clay based toothpaste or tooth powders. I actually have a recipe that I have that, you know, people can download to make their own. It's very simple to make. Few ingredients takes about five minutes to whip up and you can make a batch that could last two or three years if you wanted to. Once you figure out that you like it and the flavoring that you like, you know, you can make a batch big enough to last you three years because powder, it's powder and it's not going to go bad. But
Kim Vopni (41:04.089)
wow.
Trina (41:14.784)
The reason I like clay is because clay is a binder just like in, you know, charcoal in the body. And those metals and plastics and things like that inside the gum tissue, heavy metals that were exposed to through foods, waters and pollution inside your gum tissue, the clay will bind and help pull them out so that when you spit, you'll spit it in the sink. And if you do swallow it, it's going to bind. It's such a strong bond.
Kim Vopni (41:20.665)
Mm-hmm.
Trina (41:44.504)
that it's just gonna carry it through your system anyway. So the main thing I use, the only thing I use, it's what I actually made for my daughter was a clay-based toothpaste or tooth powder. And what's really nice about that is it's alkaline, so it's gonna support the alkalinity of your mouth. Your mouth needs to be alkaline. The alkalinity is when good bacteria grows and it's acidic environment is when the bad bacteria, the unhealthy bacteria that causes...
Kim Vopni (41:46.937)
Hmph.
Trina (42:11.212)
gum disease and plaque buildup and you know all the bad stuff. So you really want to maintain an alkaline environment and clay is more alkaline and then you know it's going to bind and it also has minerals in it so it's going to remineralize the teeth. other problem with most dental products on the market is they don't contain all the minerals. Your teeth have calcium and phosphopthate, they also have manganese and magnesium. There's some other minerals that your teeth have.
When you lose a manganese, you can't replace it with a calcium. It's a lock and key. So you have to replace it with the exact same mineral. And if you're brushing with something that doesn't have that, then you're losing a good opportunity because a lot of the foods are very mineral depleted and acidic. So if it's acidic and you have manganese in your food, it's not gonna get in there anyway, because it has to be alkaline for it to go in. During the acidic environment,
minerals leave your teeth, which is why cavities happen is because the mouth is too acid and minerals are leaving the teeth. So it's pretty simple to switch. It's like turning the faucet off of skincare is just making the switch to the good ingredients or the good dental products and your mouth will heal pretty quickly. It actually doesn't take super long for your dental health to make a change.
Kim Vopni (43:27.543)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (43:33.25)
Okay, Trina, this has been fascinating. I've learned so much. And I literally am going to go right upstairs to my bathroom cabinet and look at all the labels, everything that I use. But yes, I will for sure expect a few messages. So so you've mentioned that you created your own. Is this something that you now like, where can people find out more about you and your you know, your your products, your recipes? Do you sell the products that you make as well?
Trina (43:42.434)
Well, you can message me if you have questions.
Trina (43:58.752)
So right now I don't have a brand. sold my company Primal Life is the company I originally had and I sold it about a year and a half ago. I'm possibly getting ready to relaunch a new brand. But what I'm doing right now is helping educate women because it's a bigger problem than just giving you a brand to look at or buy from. You really need to understand because brands change things all the time. They change products. They change packaging. It happened to me a couple of times.
Kim Vopni (44:19.629)
Yeah, yeah.
Trina (44:28.43)
So I really empower women through my program. I have a program. It's a simple, easy program. It's five weeks, but you can take it. If it takes you 10 weeks, that's fine. But it's a simple program educating you and helping you figure out and manage your own skincare routine. And I also do give you recipes, easy to recipes to make inside there as well. And then I also have a community that you join or can join.
where you can ask me questions, you get my full recipes with, you know, how to videos and things like that. So it's called the Holistic Health and Beauty Reset Program. I'll give you the link and through that link, anyone that's listening, so make sure that you click through Kim's link, you'll get a discounted price on that. It's usually around $200 off of that price. So it's a very simple program, but it's really life changing. It will literally turn the faucet off.
Kim Vopni (45:09.689)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (45:19.779)
Mm-hmm.
Trina (45:27.79)
Pretty much on day one because in the second module or the second video, I teach you what to use instead of what you've been using to detox your skin and most of the women have it right in their house. You don't even have to buy anything.
Kim Vopni (45:40.257)
Yeah, I love it. Okay, I'm going to sign up. Yeah, thank you. This has been totally eye opening. I think my favorite part of this conversation was the the water ingredient. That like I am literally mind blown about that. Yeah, that is so fascinating. So where can people find you've mentioned the name your program? Where's your website? What is your social media handles?
Trina (45:49.772)
the water. I know it's a mind blower, right?
Trina (46:00.79)
Yeah, my website is just my name, TrinaFelber.com and then Instagram is also TrinaFelber. Most of my social media will be my name, TrinaFelber.
Kim Vopni (46:10.691)
Amazing. Thank you. Thank you for what you do and thank you for sharing your knowledge. And I also like the approach that you're providing the education and allowing people with that information to make their own informed choices. And really that's at the end of the day, what we need more of is the education component.
Trina (46:21.826)
Yeah.
Trina (46:25.371)
Yeah, and I guide you to you know, if there's brands, you know, or products that I recommend, you know, I give you those options as well, or you can make your own and so many women are literally getting so much enjoyment because just like when you make your own food and it tastes so much better and you control what you put in based on what works with your body or what you like.
It's the same way with skincare you if you want to put the know hyaluronic acid that's an oil base in you can put that in there like you can use the oils in the things that you want. So the women are really enjoying that but you don't have to make everything I tell them just you know make a couple things that you really want to make and buy some you know buy the rest and then add in so it's a lot of fun.
Kim Vopni (47:05.966)
Yeah, yeah. So fascinating. Thank you so much. This was super interesting. Thank you.
Trina (47:12.066)
Yeah, thanks Kim.
