Kim (00:01.654)
Hi Inara, thank you so much for joining me today. I'm really excited about this conversation because pessaries come up a lot in my world, in the work that I do with people. And I of course love people that are doing innovative, cool things and love the work that you're doing. So if you can start out by telling us a little bit about who you are and what led you down this path of wanting to improve the world of pessaries.
Inara Lalani (00:27.726)
Yeah, absolutely. Great to be here. Thank you so much for having me, Kim. My name is Anar. I'm one of the co -founders and the CEO of FEM Therapeutics. Our founding story is not as traditional as most founders. I actually went to McGill for my undergraduate degree on track to pursue a Bachelor of Commerce and go into the consulting route. But I had the opportunity of doing a fellowship in the surgical innovation space in my second year of university where I was actually matched with my peers, Negin and Dr. Gangel, who ended up becoming my co -founder.
founders later down the line. But we spent about a year in the OR and the ICU just trying to identify unmet clinical needs. So what started off as just exploring the gynecology sector eventually led us down into the bigger problem here, which was the unmet gap when it comes to preparing for that postpartum phase of pregnancy and delivery and aging. And so we saw a lot of frequencies when it comes to hysterectomy surgeries, majority of patients.
were quite young and still had to be, you know, scheduled for hysterectomy, which is, you know, the removal of the uterus. And we thought, why is that the case? Why is this such a common procedure? Later, we boiled down to the fact that PESEREs, which are the first line of treatment for pelvic organ prolapse and severe cases of stress urinary incontinence, haven't changed in decades. So we, you know, explored that space a little bit. We looked into the devices that are currently on the market and understood that there was a 50 % failure when it came out.
comes to using a pessary for a variety of reasons. The first is they're just not accurately representative of the female anatomy. Female anatomy is more oval -like in shape. When you look at these devices, they're very geometric, spherical, cube -like devices. Oftentimes, they mimic a mushroom or a donut. And so when you try to fit these devices, they actually feel very uncomfortable. And so patients have a very low compliance with long -term use. 50 % of the time, these devices
will actually displace and fall out of the vaginal canal. And then we have about 60 % of patients that actually report long -term complications because the devices are too tight. Now physicians tend to fit these devices through trial and error saying, look, I think you're a size five or I think you're a size six. This can lead to devices being too tight or too small for patients. And that could lead to those long -term complications that I described above. So everything that I just mentioned is really what we see as the only option for patients that suffer from pelvic organ prolapse.
Inara Lalani (02:57.104)
And so we came in with this idea of providing more of a personalized model and reinventing the traditional pestery on the market to provide a more comfortable and effective method of support for patients looking for a non -surgical alternative to their treatment.
Kim (03:12.918)
Very cool, very needed. What is a pessary and what, so you've talked about a few of the shortcomings, but kind of taking a step back, what exactly is a pessary? What's the intention behind it?
Inara Lalani (03:25.294)
Absolutely. So, Pestri is an intravaginal device that is inserted to support the pelvic floor organs. This can include the uterus, the rectum, or the bladder. So, pelvic organ prolapse is a condition that affects one in every three women, which tends to occur once a patient has had a vaginal delivery or is aging and just experiences weakening of the pelvic floor muscles. And so, these Pestris are used as a first line of treatment about 90 % of the time. And they're also actually one of the oldest medical devices dating back to the
Egyptians. That's a little fun fact there. But yes, that's typically the most common use case for a pessary.
Kim (04:02.517)
I've done a couple of posts recently where I went back historically into what led to the development of pessaries and things like half of a pomegranate and inserting fabric soaked in petroleum. Really strange sounding and even barbaric at times sounding procedures even or devices that were used. So glad that we at least got to the point of the current pessary and they can be very helpful. There are some people who have difficulty with
things like insertion and removal. I would say that is probably the biggest challenge or what holds a lot of people back, whether it's accessibility and mobility or even just the, even somebody who's very able -bodied and flexible still can have a difficult time actually putting it in and getting it into the right place. So how are you addressing that or are you able to address that component?
Inara Lalani (05:00.942)
Yeah, when you look at the average patient profile for, you know, a pester or for a pessary, you typically see these patients are, you know, within the age brackets of 50 to 70. That's where we see most common, most commonly used patients using a pessary. And so those patients typically lack the finger dexterity to be able to insert a device and position it in the right way. That doesn't lead to uncomfortableness down the line. And then in terms of them removing the device to we see a lot of
patients struggling with just being able to reach that far in to remove the device painlessly. And so when we look at the patterns for how frequently patients visit the physician office, we see that that tends to happen about four to five times more than what is required because they're unable to just remove the device for regular maintenance and cleaning. And so these devices have to be removed every 30 days, cleaned with unscented soap and water to remove any vaginal discharge. But what we're starting to see is
These patients are unable to remove their devices that frequently and so that leads to also infection risk down the line and so we really understood that this was a huge pain point for a majority of patients especially those that are much younger because you want to be able to have control of your bodies for as long as you can and having an autonomous treatment is extremely important for that younger demographic and we're beginning to see that pattern in the older demographic as well and so we created a pest tree that actually has an applicator in it so a reusable applicator system that will allow
the patient to insert or load the applicator with their pessary. With the push of the plunger, it'll actually deploy and position the pessary comfortably within the vaginal canal. And there's also a collapsible string as well. So once tugged on, it actually compresses the device and removes it as well. So we're hoping that that'll make the process a little easier for them as well.
Kim (06:51.571)
What's your process in terms of the actual personalization piece? The pessaries that are currently on the market are, as you say, there are several shapes and sizes, but generally they're round or cube shape. They look like they should be uncomfortable, to be completely honest. I know they can really change lives and really provide a lot of support, and I'm not discounting them. I think they're amazing.
but there are definitely limitations. And so the personalization piece I think is so interesting and so needed. What is your process of personalizing pessaries for people?
Inara Lalani (07:32.11)
Absolutely, so we work in three steps. The first step is a simple measurement and assessment process with your provider. So a patient will go in and be booked in for a standard pelvic exam where their provider will then take about 10 to 20 different pelvic floor measurements using the standard of care which is called the POPQ method where they will assess the type and stage of prolapse and then take a few numerical measurements within the vaginal canal such as the vaginal width, size of the cervix, the vaginal length. Those measurements coupled
with their patient metadata, such as their BMI, ethnicity, how many vaginal childbirths they've had, will then be able to provide us with an accurate representation of what their vaginal canal looks like, as well as their prolapse condition. So we actually create this simulation in 3D to understand how their prolapse looks. And then we apply our predetermined designs that our team have created, essentially to fit the simulation model and understand how the design reacts to those different prolapse mechanics.
in the simulation and then we run a topology optimization algorithm that actually optimizes those designs or those measurements for that specific predetermined design and the result is a personalized intravaginal device or a pessary that the patient then walks away with which is 3D printed with biocompatible silicone. What's really important to note about our devices as well is we're not just taking the current standard designs that exist on the market today and personalizing the width and the length. We've actually redesigned the way these
look to be more accurately representative of the vaginal canal for patients. It actually has a two level system where the first level receives the abdominal pressure and the base plate actually expands towards the sidewalls which are supported by the pelvic bones. So this dynamic mechanism actually helps resist that displacement and provide a more comfortable feeling for the patient as the device moves as they move. As their muscles contract, the device also contracts. So we're hoping that that coupled with our personalization will lead to a more
effective clinical outcome.
Kim (09:35.377)
I love that. So I thought that there, well, I know that there are some other people talking about imaging of the pelvic floor first, like with ultrasound. So this one, you're taking the physical measurements that are currently, like many people are already doing, the pop cue, as you mentioned. And those data points are then entered into like a computer program. I'm probably going to be saying the wrong terminology, but something that the data is entered that then essentially creates the image.
without having to image the person. Is that, yeah.
Inara Lalani (10:07.534)
Yeah.
You got it. You got it. And the reason why we went down that route instead of creating a 3D ultrasound or requiring our patients to do a dynamic MRI scan, which definitely is representative of their prolapse condition. You can take that image and then design a prosthetic according to that image. It's just not as accessible for a majority of patients and it's expensive. Currently patients are spending about $100 on a pessary and so requiring them to then go in and do a 3D ultrasound scan or a dynamic MRI scan.
that cost is quite prohibitive for a majority of patients that, you know, in the U .S. are beneficiaries of Medicare. And so in our case, we thought, can we leverage those manual measurements, make this as accessible as possible, get as many providers trained to conduct this exam so that we can make this pessary very, very accessible to these patients, as well as...
creating this dynamic mechanism where at the end of the day you don't require those higher fidelity measurements because the device is so flexible. So if it has that high degree of flexibility, you can work with those lower fidelity measurements and still achieve the same success rates.
Kim (11:16.847)
That's so super cool. And the other piece of that as you're talking is the wait times. I think you're in Canada, correct? Yeah, in Canada, it takes a really heck of a long time to see a doctor and then heck of a long time to get the testing or whatever it is that you need to have done. Like it can be years for many people, which is another barrier. So as you say, the autonomous piece of it is so important. So you're talking about the...
Inara Lalani (11:25.422)
Thanks.
Kim (11:44.75)
sort of the flexible component of the nature of the what what the device is made of a lot of the current pessaries all they're way harder than you think they should be there. They feel very restrictive and you you again you just kind of feel it and you think this is going to the expectation is it's going to feel uncomfortable. So what is it you mentioned biocompatible silicone. What is it that changes
the softness, I guess, or making it a little bit less rigid than the others.
Inara Lalani (12:20.814)
Great question. So typically, the pessaries that you see on the market today are made out of injection molded silicone, but they actually have plastic rods that are inserted to just reinforce the shape. Now for a regular patient that doesn't, for a regular user that doesn't actually experience prolapse, you would look at this device and think, this is going to be extremely painful for me to insert. But for patients that actually have prolapse and use these devices on a daily basis, if they're fitted correctly, you won't even feel them. And so I think that's where a lot of the, I guess,
understandings are is you know sometimes the device can look very rigid but once it's placed inside it really doesn't feel as rigid as it did on the exterior. But in our case we don't actually work with those plastic rods our entire device is 3D printed directly with biocompatible silicone and the silicone that we work with has a very high degree of flexibility and so it allows us to have more of those softer feeling type of devices but still offer the same level of support.
Kim (13:16.236)
And you, I know we can't talk about the clinical trials, but you're currently undergoing clinical trials for the devices, is that correct?
Inara Lalani (13:25.742)
Correct, yes, the device is undergoing testing.
Kim (13:27.884)
Yeah, what's the expected launch and also what then, excuse me, what will be the procedure? You've talked about care providers. So could that be a pelvic floor PT? Could that be a urogyne? Could it be a family doctor? So who could be a care provider and what will the process be once things are ready to come to market?
Inara Lalani (13:49.71)
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Yeah, so we're really excited to be working towards our market approvals in the U .S. and Canada over the next six to eight months. So we anticipate launching as early as Q2 of 2025. Right now we are working with urogynecologists, obstetrics and gynecologists, as well as pelvic floor physiotherapists to fit our devices. And so we hope to be on the market come Q2 of 2025. And we'll definitely have a list of providers that patients can reach out to to get their initial fitting.
for one of our one of our passeries.
Kim (14:22.796)
So the person would see their care provider, let's say it's a pelvic floor PT, they go in, they have the pop -q assessment, those measurements are then sent through, do you have a portal, like the provider goes through a portal to submit those to you.
Inara Lalani (14:35.15)
We have a clinician portal that essentially walks the provider through the process of how to conduct their fitting. Those measurements then get sent over on our end. We do the 3D visualization, we do the design work, and then we also do the manufacturing in -house in Montreal. And then that device gets shipped over to the provider within a two -week time frame for the patient to come back for their first fitting.
Kim (14:58.124)
Amazing. And this is probably a stat you don't know, but right now I think it's 50, you mentioned 50%. So I think it's like 53 % of like those first fittings are not successful and some are never going to be successful. So hopefully that's one of the stats that we can improve upon this, that we have success pretty much the first time because we've accommodated for that person's anatomy.
Inara Lalani (15:20.878)
Absolutely, that's the plan. So the statistic is around 30%, so one in every three patients will fail a PS3 fitting. So we're really hoping to dramatically reduce that statistic and have every patient essentially have the option of whether they want to pursue surgical or non -surgical intervention instead of having to go with one route because they just aren't able to find a good fit.
Kim (15:40.683)
Will this be something that could accommodate all types of pelvic organ prolapse? We've kind of used it as a bucket term. So bladder prolapse, uterine prolapse, rectocele, could it help with enterocele? Could it help with urethral prolapse? And also then the bracket of incontinence, like stress urinary incontinence is a reason why some people may use a pessary as well. So is it, can it help with all of those conditions?
Inara Lalani (16:08.174)
Yeah, absolutely when you look at prolapse especially for those patients that have more severe cases or prolapse it typically doesn't present as only one symptom or only one type of prolapse and we typically see a combination
definitely cystocele prolapse presents itself quite frequently with rectocele prolapse. And you'll also see a combination of uterine prolapse as well. So we have challenged our team with actually creating designs that cater to all different types of prolapse combinations, as well as the degrees of prolapse as well. So our goal is to eventually have a certain number of skews that can then be modified to each patient based off of the level of support and the degree of support that they require to treat their condition.
Kim (16:50.956)
Yeah, the rectocele, I have, I've had a rectocele. I know many people in my community have a rectocele and it's usually the one that is a little trickier to manage from a pessary perspective. And it's often dependent on where along the line of the rectum, the bulges or along the back wall of the vagina, the bulges and lower down or more advanced can be a little bit trickier to manage. Is that something that you've also taken into consideration and
Like, do you feel like this is something that you also will be able to help?
Inara Lalani (17:24.462)
Exactly, yeah. So we actually, with the guidance of our Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Gangel, he essentially created this problem space for us where he challenged our engineering team with trying to solve the most complicated case of prolapse and he said, look, if we can get this right, we can get the rest no problem. And so actually one of our cases or one of our patients that we have previously fitted had a combination of rectocele and uterine prolapse. It was very severe, I want to say very late stages of stage three prolapse.
and we had to create a custom pastory for her. What we've done on our end is created kind of a range of dimensions or a range of how thick the device has to be, how long can the device be, how wide can the device be, and created those parameters so that we're working within those ranges when it comes to fitting those patients so we can accommodate for those anatomical variations that you just described on how rectocele can present itself. So absolutely that is our goal.
Kim (18:25.29)
And how long could, so somebody goes through the process, two weeks later it's sent to their provider, they go in, let's say they have success, it feels great, they walk away. This is something that they would insert and remove every day, is that correct?
Inara Lalani (18:41.294)
So our guidance is that they would insert and remove at least once every 30 days to remove of any vaginal discharge, but if the patient feels comfortable retaining it for the duration of those 30 days consecutively, that is also fine.
Kim (18:56.041)
Okay so somebody who is sexually active from an insertive sex perspective this would be needed would need to be removed but if if they wanted to it could be left in so it doesn't have to be taken out in every single day it could be left in 30 days straight. Wow.
Inara Lalani (19:14.062)
Absolutely, yeah. And the way that we've designed our devices is that it would be able, you would be able to have intercourse with the device inside as well. So that is our goal with our designs.
Kim (19:22.28)
Wow, that's interesting. Okay, all right, you're opening up a whole bunch of, this is amazing. You're covering like all the biggest challenges with, with pessaries. Okay.
Inara Lalani (19:33.71)
biggest points you have.
And it's exciting to finally, I think, you know, with Femme Therapeutics, we have two females that are leading, you know, all of our design works and myself, and we have Negan Asheri, who is our CTO. It's really refreshing just being able to vocalize a lot of those pain points that these patients experience, because I think from, if we look back into, you know, who created the first device and where we are now, I feel like a lot of those pain points have been missed because the design work was never led by a female that understood those pain points. So it's great to finally be in charge of that.
Kim (20:03.368)
Mm -hmm.
Inara Lalani (20:05.936)
and to lead pessaries in a direction where more patients and more females would be very much happy and comfortable using a device like this.
Kim (20:15.113)
Mm hmm. Amazing. And so with that piece of knowledge, somebody like as you were saying, pessaries historically or people still believe like pessary is only for old quote unquote old people, but younger like anybody can use a pessary and benefit from a pessary. That being said, as you said, as you said, the 50 to 70 ish 77, I think is what you had said population is the most common. That's usually around
the start of somebody's menopause. So we're dealing with some hormonal changes as well, which can also be part of the contributor to the tissue disruption that happens with insertion and removal. But many of these people would potentially be using, hopefully be using vaginal estrogen and another creams and vaginal DHEA. So if insertive sex is possible, then also inserting your vaginal estrogen cream or
the ovules or that type of thing, would that be accessible, allowed?
Inara Lalani (21:17.966)
It's definitely something that we are currently running tests on, but yes, you're absolutely right in identifying that most of the time, pesteries are used in conjunction with vaginal estrogen cream to help with erosions or dryness. And so we've actually done a lot of research as well and spoken to a few strategic partners where we think we might be able to eventually make a pestery that is pre -coated with estrogen as well.
Kim (21:41.639)
Yes.
Inara Lalani (21:42.798)
because we're working with directly 3D printed biocompatible silicone that does have the potential of carrying or doing a lot of that drug delivery. And so it's opening up a lot of doors down the line where we can make this process as user friendly as possible.
Kim (21:56.391)
I love that. Yeah, the E string comes to mind, which is already like a pessary, but it's not providing the support level that we would need, but it's something that's put in, left in for three months really. So, okay, very cool. You guys are thinking of everything. So I can leave it in for up to 30 days and then I remove it. As you mentioned, you had some strings that contribute to a little bit of sort of a collapse to allow for easy removal. Is it then I need a new one?
Inara Lalani (22:00.91)
Exactly.
support.
Inara Lalani (22:09.038)
great.
Kim (22:25.99)
After that 30 days or do I clean and reinsert that same one and how long if that's the if that is correct then how long would I be able to do that before needing a new one?
Inara Lalani (22:35.758)
Yeah, so we recommend cleaning it with unscented soap and water and then the device can be reinserted just as you did the first time. And we recommend for coming in for refitting or getting a replacement device within the one to two year timeframe. We're still conducting tests on that, but the reason why we suggest that timeframe is also with higher compliance of pressurize over time, you can also begin to see some strengthening of the muscles and potentially require a smaller size. And so it's just, you know, getting into that routine habit of seeing your provider on a regular basis
and informing them of any changes in terms of lifestyle needs or anatomical changes over the next couple of years. And hopefully we'll be able to get you fitted with a device that's more representative down the line.
Kim (23:17.862)
Yeah, I love that. And the way that you're describing the sort of the adaptability of the silicone to movement that could like even now with the current pessaries, there are some people who actually don't like doing some exercise with it in because they feel like it's too rigid and it prohibits some of their function. There's other people that feel their muscles work better when they have their pessary inserted because it sort of frees up.
Inara Lalani (23:36.238)
Correct.
Kim (23:43.334)
the muscles to not be having to manage their bulges. But with the way that you're describing yours, I feel like the majority would like kind of like when we ideally insert a tampon and don't feel it, we wouldn't feel it per se. It's just adapting to however we're moving through all the activities that we're doing.
Inara Lalani (24:01.998)
Exactly, that is the hope with the material combination as well as the design of our new pesteries.
Kim (24:06.757)
Yeah. Can you just come back to, I wanna explore a little bit about how you were saying that the two part where there was one that's almost like a pressure from the top. Can you elaborate a little bit on that, explain a little bit more about the thought process behind it and how it will actually function?
Inara Lalani (24:17.166)
Mm -hmm.
Inara Lalani (24:24.718)
Yeah, so if you look at our website right now, we have showcased one of our pestle designs where it's a two level system. The first level receives the abdominal pressure. So it's almost like a small circle at the top where the cervix is intended to rest upon, essentially holding the cervix, if you will. And then the base plate, which is connected by side rods, supports the pressure being applied from the top and enforces that pressure to then disperse towards the side walls, expanding the base plate of the device.
Typically we see with pessaries, they tend to have those rigid plastic portions on the anterior and posterior sides of the pessary which is supported by the bladder and the rectum. But in our case, we've done a lot of research and we've understood that if we push the pressure towards the side walls of the vaginal canal which don't come in contact with the bladder or the rectum, we can provide a more stable and comfortable fit for the patient because the side walls are actually supported by the pelvic bones. 50 % of the time these pessaries displace because they don't have an
anchor point or stable resting point within the body. And so by having this pressure distribution mechanism and by forcing the pressure specifically towards the side walls, we're starting to see a less lower dislodgement or less rotation with the pessary based off of the designs that we've created.
Kim (25:42.309)
I think about the Poise Impressa, which I'm sure you're familiar with. And some of what you're talking about is, this is an over -the -counter technically designed for stress urinary incontinence. But it's like a tampon insertion. There's a top part and a wider part on the bottom. And there's strings that can help with removal. So I've always looked at that as being, I like that. I like the ease of it. I use it personally when I'm using higher intensity exercise.
And I do and I don't feel it like I put it in and it's not there and then I just do my stuff and I carry on and then and I like that I like the ease of it. I don't like that it is a single use device and I am like I'm chomping at the bit for your product to be ready because I think it's going to be such a game changer. I'm really really excited about it.
Inara Lalani (26:33.294)
Absolutely, we're very excited as well. I think Poison Presa has done a great job at just providing solutions to patients that are struggling with stress urinary incontinence. But as soon as you enter into that pro lab space and you're right, a reusable component is increasingly becoming more and more important as the years go on. Just trying to create a sustainable cycle here for our products too. And that reusable applicator system is also something that's not designed to not be single use because we want to just create that sense of routine and that habit for these patients.
also see sometimes we hear horror stories of patients putting in their pessaries and forgetting about them. They'll come in years later and you know experience symptoms related to infections and they'll be like I don't know why I have an infection or why this is happening but it's because they weren't taught or trained to get into that routine of insertion removal cleaning and then you know reinserting and so we're hoping that with our reusable products we'll create that cadence and just provide more of that education and awareness in the space specifically for those patients.
that are older, so we can avoid those problems from happening down the line.
Kim (27:38.117)
Yeah. One final question I have is with vaginal vault prolapse, so somebody who has had a hysterectomy and as you're talking about the top, you know, potentially close to the cervix, if the person no longer has a cervix, is that like when you think about the complicated cases? Have you done any thought process? I'm sure you have, but what is there any option?
Currently, vaginal vault can be, again, another challenge that is not necessarily well managed with pessaries. So, do you have any, have you put any thought on that and is there anything that you think could be helpful for them as well?
Inara Lalani (28:16.782)
Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, we do have, I want to say one patient that's currently enrolled in our studies right now that has a vaginal prolapse. So we have designed a newer kind of pessary design for that particular patient because you're absolutely right that, you know, holding that cervix, creating that smaller circumference at the top is no longer as important. But it has presented with, you know, certain challenges that our design team is still working on. But it is a lot more common than you think.
Another condition that we were also recently exposed to is also the inverse uterus. So a uterus that's positioned in its inverse position and also requires some design changes on our end as well to account for those anatomical differences. So those are all design problems that our engineering team is working towards. But for our initial launch, you know, in Q2 2025, we are looking to target those main three categories of prolapse, which is the uterine, rectocele and cistercile prolapse. And certainly down the line, we hope to be able to cater to that.
Kim (28:54.597)
Mm -hmm.
Inara Lalani (29:16.592)
vulpralapse as well.
Kim (29:18.629)
And is this something that could be used in pregnancy?
Inara Lalani (29:21.486)
So that is an exciting opportunity for us. I think we've created this infrastructure or this platform that allows for patients to, or allows for providers to create customized silicone -based prosthetics for their patients. And while we're initially focused on prolapse and stress -reinforcing continence, down the line we certainly see, you know, pessaries being used to also.
treat CERCLAJ cases. So patients that have cervical incompetence that require a device to essentially hold their cervix closed instead of doing a CERCLAJ procedure, that is definitely the next step for us and one that we're already starting to have conversations around with strategic partners. So very much looking forward to eventually building out our pipeline beyond just prolapse and stress -impaired incontinence.
Kim (30:06.629)
Yeah, very, very cool. So you mentioned your website. What is your website? Where can people find you? You are currently in clinical trials now. Will there be future ones? Or can people sign up for potentially future studies?
Inara Lalani (30:21.582)
Absolutely, if you're a patient or provider please check out our website at www .femtherapeutics .com you'll see a contact form for you to fill out and we'll be in touch if you're a good fit for our prospective clinical studies or potentially onboarding you into our provider network to get your patients fitted with a custom pressery. If you're just looking to follow along as well do follow our social media so on Instagram we're just at Femtherapeutics and LinkedIn as well that's where you'll see a lot of our posts and our updates over the next you know few months.
you
Kim (30:52.261)
Amazing and I'll have all of those links in the show notes so people can click over quickly. But super, super excited. Thank you for all the amazing research you're doing and for everything you're doing to move the needle forward in this area. I have lived experience, I have experience of working with so many people and it really is something that can help people in their tracks and is so mismanaged currently. I think there's just such a huge, huge.
need for what you're doing and I'm really excited for my own body but also for the bodies of the people that I work with as well. I think this is really going to transform lives. Thank you.
Inara Lalani (31:28.11)
Thank you so much and thank you for giving us the opportunity to share what we're building as well. We look forward to being able to just provide a more effective and comfortable treatment for those patients that have been living with prolapse for far too long.
Kim (31:39.877)
Yeah, thank you so much.
