Kim (00:01.487)
Hi, Megan, sorry, let me start that again. Hi, Megan, welcome to the podcast. I'm happy to have you here. I'm really, really looking forward to this conversation about everything that you've been up to in innovating in the prolapse or the pessary space. So if we can start out by having you tell us a little bit about who you are and what brought you to this world of pelvic organ prolapse and pessaries.
Meegan Daigler (00:27.961)
Yeah, I'm super excited to be here. So yeah, my name is Meagan at Raya. I am our CTO, our Chief Technology Officer, but we are a four person company. So we all wear many, many hats. I actually am guessing you are very familiar with that many hat wearing. Yeah, my background is in product design engineering. So before founding Raya, I spent many years designing all sorts of consumer products.
Kim (00:44.783)
I might know a thing or two about that.
Meegan Daigler (00:56.013)
Some of my favorite products were kitchen products. We did a lot of work for a company called Oxo, sometimes seen as OXO. And it's during those years that I honed this kind of user-centered design research principles that we really use to design the Raya-Pessarion applicator. So yeah, my background is in engineering, user-centered design, manufacturing. And at this point, we have applied all those skills and have a device
Kim (01:03.352)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (01:25.313)
And so now I'm wearing many hats that I've never worn before. But I came, actually how I came to Pelvic Health is also kind of the origin story of Raya. So when I was in engineering school in our last year, I paired up with two friends who I think we all had spent a lot of years in engineering school. Our engineering school had pretty good parity, but there is just like, there are a lot of male engineering students, male engineering professors.
And we were having a little bit of a senior year, stick it to the man feeling, wanting to do some research into something that would make people kind of like uncomfortable, would kind of like push the bounds of our school. And so we designed a independent study on engineering and gynecology instruments. And we actually looked at a ton of different instruments. We looked at the speculum, single tooth tenaculum, the IUD, the birthing table.
I actually thought the birthing table was fascinating. But that is how we learned about prolapse and pessary. So we had never heard of prolapse before and couldn't believe that prolapse affected as many people as it affects and that we had never heard of it. And we'd never heard of pessaries before. And as we dug into pessaries, it just felt like a space that was ripe for innovation. I think the Gjallarhorn Pessary, which is the
one of the two primary pessaries used right now is the patent for the Gellhorn from 1935. So we're getting to a hundred years of the same pessary. And yeah, we just, to us, it seemed super obvious that women deserved a better solution, that they was more comfortable and had, would increase their independence. So that was our exposure. then, we were students. So we then went and worked for a number of years.
As I said, I went and worked in consumer products. We kind of spread our wings, but then it was just a sticky idea. And so when we would see each other again, we would talk about it. And eventually we started working on it on nights and weekends and came back together in 2019. We kind of started in earnest and began designing the pessary. And so we actually met so that me, Caitlin and Ari are the three engineering students and we worked together then. And it was then that we met.
Meegan Daigler (03:50.081)
Dr. Paul Henessian, who's our fourth co-founder, and he is the one who told us about, he's a urogynecologist. He introduced us to prolapse and pessaries. so, yeah, five years later, we came back the same four people, we came back together and we started working on a new pessary.
Kim (04:09.433)
That is super cool. love that story. I love hearing people's stories of how they end up where they are, and especially the ones that are sort of accidentally on purpose, right? You chose to look into the gynecology space, but you didn't necessarily, you'd never even heard of a pessary, and here you are. You've now created this pessary. Where does the name Rhea come from?
Meegan Daigler (04:30.361)
So Rhea, R-H-E-A was the goddess of fertility in Roman or Greek Empire, can't remember which one. And honestly, we had a night where we needed to come up with a name because we needed to form an LLC to do something else. And so we just had one night where we all sat down and came up with a bunch of ideas. We changed the spelling to R-E-I-A because we were hoping would help with pronunciation.
we thought R-H-E-A might be pronounced Ria. The change in spelling did not help at all. We still get called Ria all the time. But it was like we had one night to like, I don't know, we had some legal document we needed to sign and we needed to have formed a company by the next day. So that's comes from. I think, yeah, it's one of those choices that probably we could have spun our wheels on for a long time, but we like where we ended up.
Kim (05:23.757)
Yeah, yeah, very cool. So you've talked about who's on your team and sort of what led this. You mentioned you had never heard of prolapse before. So now knowing the statistics and what prolapse is, how would you describe when you're describing, say, maybe on your website or to customers, how would you describe prolapse?
Meegan Daigler (05:41.721)
Yeah, so we usually I mean, when Paul describes it, he describes it with a lot of anatomical words. I usually describe it to people as like the pelvic floor muscles are supposed to be like a hammock that holds everything up. And every all people have pelvic floor muscles, but when they get weakened or damaged, things can start to descend. So that can be the bladder, the rectum, the uterus, the vagina. It kind of depends on like where that
weakness or like damage occurs. And a lot of people can have, there's varying degrees of prolapse. So some, a lot of people have prolapse and they may not be symptomatic and they may become symptomatic. A lot of times after people go through menopause that weakness or like the pelvic floor muscles weaken even further. And that is when they may experience symptomatic prolapse.
Kim (06:38.135)
Mm-hmm. And so what is, for those that don't know, what is a pessary?
Meegan Daigler (06:44.759)
Yeah, a pessary is like a little shelf. So if the pelvic floor muscles are like a hammock and they kind of start to sag, a pessary is like a little shelf and it's inserted into the vaginal canal. So it sits in the same place as a tampon, a menstrual cup, ring birth control. And it basically acts like a shelf for the organs to sit on.
Kim (07:07.631)
Mm-hmm. So you mentioned the Gellhorn pessary and how long, I mean, many of the pessaries that are currently on the market have been the same, different sizes, but, and there is a decent variety of pessaries when you look at, like I have a little booklet that shows all the different types, and there are quite a few. However, they're fixed in the sense of they,
Meegan Daigler (07:19.117)
Yes.
Kim (07:34.115)
That's what it is. And if it doesn't work for your anatomy, then there isn't necessarily another option if you've tried all the different sizes. And so what makes the Rhea pessary different from the current medical grade pessaries that somebody would potentially have already used?
Meegan Daigler (07:50.423)
Yeah, so can I do a demo? I will describe the demo for the podcast listeners while we do it.
Kim (07:54.051)
Yeah, please. Yeah, this will go on YouTube. For anybody who's listening, can go watch the video on YouTube.
Meegan Daigler (08:00.951)
Yeah, so the ray of pessary is in situ, it's actually somewhat similar to a gellhorn pessary. So it has a kind of ring at the top that's like acting as the shelf doing most of the support. And then it has a stem coming off the bottom that keeps it aligned and keeps it centered. But the magic of the ray of pessary is that when you lightly pinch on the outside, it collapses in shape. So it becomes, it's kind of like a super tampon.
definitely not like a little small tampon, but it's like super tampon. And so you can hold it in this collapse shape to insert it into the vagina. And then it naturally opens up again into that supportive state. Another fun design feature of the pessary is that it has a dome shape. And so what's special about domes is as you push down on a dome, actually gets just like a little bit wider. And so it is super supportive and
Kim (08:30.531)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (08:58.989)
and our clinical trial stayed in place really well, but then to remove it, you just pull on the loop on the bottom again and it collapses to come back out. Our goal in designing, our understanding actually of pessaries when we first learned about them, and I think this has mostly been maintained, is that ring pessaries tend to be the preferred option if they work for people because they do fold in half like a taco. So you can fold it in half.
put in, it's a little bit harder. My understanding is to fold it in half to get it back out again. But some ability to self-manage and put the pessary in when you need it and take it out when you don't is available for a ringed pessary. But ringed pessaries often fail for higher stages of prolapse. from studies, we've understood that gellhorn pessaries tend to successfully treat the symptoms of prolapse. So when they're in place,
they can relieve the symptoms of prolapse for higher stages of prolapse. But because gell horns are so rigid and stiff and have that stem, they're really difficult for people to insert and remove on their own. Women, of course, are amazing. So we have, in the years of interviewing people, met people who self-maintain their gell horn. But it's definitely not like a comfortable or easy experience. And so for us, we were really trying to design a pessary that people could
in when they want it and take it out when they don't and they could do that comfortably. So comfort and independence have been like pillars of design from the gecko and so that is how we ended up with this collapsible pessary that in situ is similar to a galehorn so it's that really supportive shape but collapses for comfortable and easy insertion and removal.
Kim (10:48.11)
Yeah, I absolutely love what you have done. think there's the closest that I've seen that's currently available is an OTC single use device, which is the Poise Impressa, which has the, you know, inserted kind of like a tampon. It opens up and then it collapses as you pull out. And it's technically not even designed for prolapse. It's more for stress urinary incontinence. But I do have some of people in my community who have tried it and use it from a
Meegan Daigler (11:01.845)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, those little wings.
Kim (11:18.512)
prolapse management perspective. I use it also when I use when I lift heavy weights, but I hate the fact that it's single use. so I've always been like, it's, I've been looking for you. I've been looking for you for somebody to innovate in that. Yeah. And, and I was super excited when I saw it. So I think it's, I think it's brilliant. And you sort of have answered this question, but I want to, I want to ask it a little bit more. You've mentioned and
Meegan Daigler (11:19.929)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (11:32.153)
Well, yeah.
Kim (11:46.307)
And i've observed i have never used a medical grade i have felt them but i have never inserted one but they are. They're quite large they're quite rigid and they it is intimidating i find because sometimes it looks like how is that even gonna fit and the insertion and removal is difficult and when you get the right.
Meegan Daigler (11:51.043)
Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm.
Kim (12:08.163)
size and the right shape inserted, it can be life changing for people in terms of the management of symptoms. And there are some people who will use their care provider to insert and remove. But being able to have that, as you say, the independence to self manage and not have to rely on a care provider and booking that appointment is is huge. The the so you had sent me a sample to sort of touch and feel and not something that I can try, it was a
something that at least I could see what it feels like. So it is much softer. And you've you've talked about this dome. So the fact that the sort of any pressure from down below would actually somewhat increase the the support in a sense, and help keep it in place, because it looks to me like when you compare it to a medical grade, it's softer. So you think how could it provide enough support?
Meegan Daigler (13:03.352)
Hmm.
Kim (13:05.04)
So if you want to elaborate a little bit on what you had already said about that.
Meegan Daigler (13:08.921)
Yeah, yeah, I would love to. Yeah, so current like Gellhorn pesteries, can kind of like bend, I wish I had one with me, bend the stem, but they are like a really rigid, pretty high durometer silicone. There are two kind of main manufacturers and one is a little bit softer, but in general, yeah, people, I feel like people who have never seen a pesterie before see when we have, we show them though, this is what the old ones are and this is what ours are. They're like, how does that even get in? How is that possible?
Our pessary is a really, this was a subject of much debate as we were designing it because the question was basically like how soft of a material can we use to like maintain the amount of support that we want to have. And so yeah, it is like really soft and squishy and sometimes it gets mistaken as like a kid's toy and.
We do sometimes joke that alternate, different market could be like a teether. But yeah, it's mostly just because of that shape. Like it's a space occupying shape. That's one way they describe like a Gellhorn pestle is it like takes up space in the vagina and that ring or that dome design means that it gets a little bit wider as you push down on it. And we actually had to, so as part of our FDA clearance application,
Kim (14:07.856)
Yeah.
Meegan Daigler (14:31.863)
we ran a clinical study. And so we had to show that the pestery was as safe and worked as well as current pesteries. And then we of course also wanted to show that not only was it as supportive but it was more comfortable, easier to use. And so we had the two main metrics that we, or the primary endpoint of our study was a survey called the PFDI-20 which is pelvic floor distress inventory. And it's basically a,
20 question questionnaire that is assessing quality of life metrics of people who have prolapse. And so the way our study worked was people who currently used pessaries were enrolled in the study and they use their own pessary for a month and then they took these surveys and then they used our pessary for three months and they took their surveys again. So they were kind of their own control. And we found that we had an increase in that those quality of life metrics between
when they switched pessaries to the rhea pessary. And then we also found that by objective measures, so there was a measurement, called the, it's like a posterior and an anterior measurement. So they're basically running measuring from the entrance to the vagina to the anterior part of the prolapse and the posterior part of the prolapse. How supportive was the pessary? Was it supporting the prolapse as well? They call these objective measures by like measurement
truly like centimeters. And we found that it was as supportive as Gjallarhorn. We had Gjallarhorn and ring pessaries in the trial, as supportive. And then we also found that unsurprisingly, it was much more comfortable for people when it was inserted and removed. And so yeah, even though it is that softer, squishier material, was up to snuff, I guess, from a support perspective when people used it in our clinical trial.
Kim (16:25.713)
What was the reason? I think you said they used their own pessary for a month and then yours for three months. What was the difference? What was the reason for the difference in time?
Meegan Daigler (16:34.405)
They already had, they had to have been using a pessary, I think it was for six months before they entered the study. So was all people currently used the pessary. So the one month was kind of like a washout period in which they were in the study for, but they had already been using the pessary for, their current pessary for years, it could have been years that they were using it before they came into the study.
Kim (16:38.549)
I see.
Kim (16:52.42)
At least six, yeah.
Kim (16:57.2)
Got it. And was it all types of prolapse of people who were in the study? So there was you mentioned two different types of pessary, but potentially there was different types of prolapse in different stages. Did you have, did you segment out to identify what types and what what stages they were at?
Meegan Daigler (17:13.889)
So we didn't have enough people to be able to run statistics on the different types and the different stages, but we had all stages and all types of prolapse. So in the study and the pestery was, the rhea pestery was able to support all stages and all types of prolapse. But we don't have like statistical data in each of those different segments because of the total numbers.
Kim (17:31.718)
Got it.
Kim (17:36.357)
Got it. Okay. So yeah, so leading into one of my questions was, is this suitable for any type of prolapse? So the answer would be yes, I'm assuming.
Meegan Daigler (17:46.841)
Yes, the answer to that is yes. also have had, so people are now using it in the outside of study protocol. We got FDA clearance and it's now available for sale in the US. And so we have some anecdotal evident stories of people who have previously failed a pessary, like weren't able to use a ring or a gale horn, who were able to use the right pessary. That's purely anecdotal, but was an exciting thing to hear.
Kim (18:12.315)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (18:15.897)
Because in the study, everybody was already using a pessary. And so to hear someone was able to successfully use our pessary who hadn't been able to use a ringer gale horn before was, it was cool.
Kim (18:16.238)
Of course, yeah.
Kim (18:29.894)
Yeah, that's awesome. Is there anybody who this would not be suitable for? Are there any contraindications or any populations that you wouldn't be able to use it for?
Meegan Daigler (18:41.017)
So the contraindications from the instructions are not to use it if you're pregnant, if you have an infection like a pelvic infection or vaginal infection, if you have a silicone allergy, or if you're not able to either maintain the pessary on your own or attend the recommended follow-up visits with a practitioner. those are the contraindications. Those are also the same contraindications for current pessaries. So it's nothing
outside of what current pessaries require. And then, yeah, but otherwise in terms of like who the pessary is suitable for, there are, it's obvious they're suitable for people who currently use pessaries, but we are also excited that potentially there are people who have, it might be suitable for people who like want to get surgery, but they need a bridge. They want some relief now, but they still ultimately want to get surgery.
or people who, I don't know if you see many people who mostly feel symptoms of prolapse when they're like exercising or in like high exertion, but if you want temporary relief in any way, I guess we're hopeful that by having something that people have more control over, there are a bunch of people who might currently not be using, have opted against using pessaries, who might like use it for.
Kim (19:46.972)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (20:09.639)
whatever, however they may need it.
Kim (20:11.825)
Yeah, and that's that's kind of what I do. I use the poise when I'm lifting really, really heavy and doing, you know, I do all the work, but I do have risk factors. So this is just a way I don't have any symptomatic prolapse. I'm just I just like the additional support in my my mind. So I view that that's something that people could use this for as well. You mentioned silicone. So that's what it's made of is silicone. Is that correct?
Meegan Daigler (20:36.173)
Yeah, the pessary is made of 100 % medical grade silicone. Yeah, I actually haven't mentioned, we have an applicator also. That is not made of medical grade silicon. That's what made me think of it. It's made of medical grade materials. They're just not silicone. So we designed an applicator. I guess when we were designing the pessary, we saw that you have to hold the pessary in this clap state and it's really light and easy to collapse it.
Kim (20:44.55)
Yes, tell us about the applicator.
Meegan Daigler (21:02.669)
But we noticed that a lot of the people we were interviewing had more limited dexterity. And actually holding it in the class, it was kind of tricky. So initially we designed an applicator for them, as often happens in universal design when you design for like, if you design something for someone who really needs it, it ends up being better for everybody. So we really think that the applicator is great for everyone. But the way the applicator works is it's also reusable.
Kim (21:23.889)
one population.
Meegan Daigler (21:32.727)
And you basically pinch the pessary like you were to insert it. But instead of inserting it, you load it into the applicator. And so the applicator holds it in the collapsed shape. And then you can just insert the applicator into the vagina. You push on the bottom of the applicator, just like a tampon applicator, to eject the pessary. And then you take the applicator out again. And you leave the pessary in. It doesn't help with removal. You still pull on the loop for removal. But we saw less limitations with that.
And the applicator, both the presser and the applicator are cleanable with soap and water and reusable for a year. So you can separate the applicator into two pieces to clean it. And then you just assemble it back together again and you can use it again.
Kim (22:16.273)
Yeah, super simple and super smart. It's amazing. And so you said up to a year so you can use it up to a year and then it would need to be replaced. And how long could it be worn for? So is this some pesteries can be left in for months some you take in and out every day? What's the length of time that somebody could wear it?
Meegan Daigler (22:36.321)
Yeah, so we know a lot of people can't or don't choose not to insert and remove their current pessaries. So they have to wear it for months at a time and then the practitioner will remove it and clean it and put it back in. Because we know that's a common scenario, the rare pessary was tested for that and the rare pessary can safely be used this way. But we also know that most complications from current pessaries are a result of long term wear. So
things like erosion, vaginal discharge. And so since we designed the pessary for easy and comfortable insertion and removal, we actually recommend removing it more frequently. You could like take it out at night to give the tissue a rest once a week. Basically any amount of removing it and like giving a rest would be good. But we did test it for that scenario where you don't remove it and you go to the doctor every three months to have it.
take an out clean and put back in again.
Kim (23:35.571)
Okay, so you mentioned that this is now for sale in the US and it is prescription based, is that correct? And so if that's correct, what's the process that a patient would go through in order to be able to get a re-opessary?
Meegan Daigler (23:49.977)
Yeah, yes. Like current pessaries, is prescription only at the moment. So it is on the order of the physician. So we are actively trying to sell it into as many physician's offices as possible in order to get the pessary accessible to patients. So if someone is interested in using the pessary, they'll have to ask their doctor.
We do have on our website, there's a resources page and we have a one pager that has like all the information someone might want to send to their doctor or all the information a doctor might want to send to their doctor and say like, this is the past where I'm interested in. Here's the clinical data to back it up. And that has like our contact information on it. So that's how it is currently set up. And
Kim (24:41.373)
So the patient would get the prescription from the doctor and then what do they do with that? Like how would they actually get the pessary?
Meegan Daigler (24:47.897)
Right. Okay. How the fitting process works. So one other thing I haven't mentioned is the rare passory comes in three sizes. So there is size one, size two and size three. These are the three of them. And the, so to the first step would be to get fit. So doctors who use the use the right, have the rare passory would
have all three sizes in the office. a patient would go into the office. They would try the sizes out. Usually doctors through an exam can take a pretty good guess at what they think the right size will be. And then once they're sized, they get a prescription. The way a lot of current pessaries work is the offices actually stock pessaries. So you don't even really get a prescription. You just get a pessary.
and then the office will bill the insurance for the cost of that pessary. But there are some private practices where they don't stock the pessaries. In that case, you get a prescription and the prescription would be filled with rare.
Kim (26:02.985)
Got it. Got it. Okay. And coming back to the sizes, I so the one that you had sent me is the size one. And even that it was kind of it to me it looked still looked big for some reason. Like if I if you think of an I mean, I don't know what the average size of a penis is. But that's that's what I'm I have a male partner. So I'm kind of like, well, I guess it's when it's collapsed, it's about the same size. But is that
you test anything even smaller or was that like the bare minimum as to what would provide support?
Meegan Daigler (26:35.379)
it actually wasn't as much a support thing. So we had a pessary that we, when we were in the design process that we tried, that was a size like a little bit smaller in diameter, like looking from the top. but mostly we found that like, so the, the bigger pessaries, they collapse almost as much. So if I like, these are like the size one and the size two, but if you, so in diameter they're
Kim (26:58.388)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (27:04.505)
pretty different, but once you collapse them from the top, they're more similar. And so really we just found that there was a limit at which you saw the benefit of the collapsing. if you, there was like a size at which the change in diameter from like the smallest, the supportive state to the collapsed state didn't seem like enough of a benefit. So we have a size mapping.
Kim (27:08.274)
Hmm. Yep.
Kim (27:27.006)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (27:32.131)
fitting guide on our website that's mostly for practitioners to take a look at, to help with them fitting. But if someone was interested, they're more than welcome to download it. And there is kind of like a mapping of current pessaries to the rhea pessary based on our clinical trial and how those sizes matched up. So if someone is using like a size two ring, like a itty bitty ring, they're probably better off sticking with their little.
ring than switching to a size one rhaeopessary. And so that's how we ended up at that size. But as the sizes get bigger in diameter, they don't get that much bigger in that collapsed state.
Kim (28:03.721)
Got it.
Kim (28:07.933)
Okay.
Kim (28:13.938)
Yeah, so the applicator is the same regardless of the size that you're using, that correct?
Meegan Daigler (28:18.903)
We have three different applicators, the applicators, like there was a minute where we thought about just having two because they're enough similar in size that it just seemed like, is there some, but then just from a user experience perspective seemed cleaner to have them actually matched up perfectly. So they do all change a little bit. But again, that's that like.
Kim (28:21.217)
you do, okay.
Kim (28:34.067)
Right.
Kim (28:42.547)
Right, yeah.
Meegan Daigler (28:49.059)
the collapse state is similar enough that it can be a little bit hard to tell the difference between the size one and the size two applicator.
Kim (28:54.888)
Right, right. And you may not know this as of yet, is it like, if I think about the POIS, which isn't an OTC, you don't need a prescription, anybody can buy one. Would there be somewhere down the road where this would be something people could purchase directly from your website, or do you feel like it will always be available only via prescription?
Meegan Daigler (29:16.535)
That's a good business development question. Actually, I also think it's an interesting product development question because the pessary sits in the same place that a menstrual cup sits. It's ring birth control. All of these things are over the counter. All tampons, they're over counted devices. The whole point is that it's fully accessible. Someone can do it themselves. So I can see a world where that seems like
Kim (29:20.83)
Yeah.
Meegan Daigler (29:45.133)
the way women should be able, like that would increase access to pessaries and like that seems like how we should go. I think we will have to solve the sizing problem of, or that is like the product development question I have is how do we make sure people can figure out what their size is? Once they know their size, it's like clear, very clear cut to me. And so yeah, that's something that we kind of are thinking about internally, but haven't quite like cracked the code on.
Kim (30:02.836)
Mm-hmm.
Meegan Daigler (30:13.931)
in terms of the sizing part of that experience. The applicator is actually a class one device. So it's an over the counter device. At the moment, we don't have an e-commerce site set up. So we're just selling the applicators with pessaries to physicians. But the applicator could, if someone got a pessary through their physician and later decided they wanted an applicator.
At some point we will be able to sell that through the website.
Kim (30:48.613)
And right now you're in the States. Do you have plans on expanding to other countries?
Meegan Daigler (30:55.255)
Yeah, we would love to. We are four person team. So we've been trying to figure out where to put our resources. Our next big Euroven ecology conference is in Canada and you're our friendly neighbor. And we filed our patents all over the world in order to try and make the pessary as accessible as possible. So we don't have a next stop plan at the moment, but
we do intend to try and get the pessary available. We've gotten a lot of interest from people in the UK, in Australia. I feel like when I start dreaming about what the pessary could do, when you enable someone's independence and their ability to treat a condition themselves, not being reliant on a physician, there's all kinds of rural...
Kim (31:35.05)
Yeah.
Meegan Daigler (31:54.297)
healthcare that would open up. And so, yeah, for all of the people who are getting treatment for prolapse, there are so many people who are not. And so that, yeah, when we start thinking about like where the past three could go, it gets pretty big.
Kim (31:59.017)
Yeah.
Kim (32:10.324)
Yeah, yeah, it's huge. It's huge. I yeah, so I'm, I'm hopeful. Let me know how I can help you. Because I think this, this deserves to be around the world. I think this would benefit so many people. I just think it's such an innovative, simple, simple to use simple design. It's awesome. I think you're you've done such an amazing job. So huge congratulations to you.
Meegan Daigler (32:31.321)
Thank you. Thank you so much. just recommended your site to a friend today who just recently had a baby. I'm glad we're all like, actually, we're all in this together. Everyone's I feel like the exposure is really increasing to, yeah, the condition itself, like what you can do, getting people like giving, the empowering people to be able to like take back control.
Kim (32:38.829)
thank you very much. We're all in this together.
Meegan Daigler (33:01.609)
And yeah, that is happening across a lot of different like treatment options and solutions. So that's really cool.
Kim (33:09.629)
Yeah. Is there anything that we didn't discuss, anything that I didn't ask you that you would love to cover?
Meegan Daigler (33:16.801)
I don't think so. guess the, one thing is that if people are looking for more information, our website is reahealth.com. so R E I A health.com and yeah.
Kim (33:24.745)
Yeah, where can they find you?
Yeah, that's perfect. And I'll have those links to everything in the in the show notes so people can access them very easily. and we'll put this all of the podcasts end up on YouTube as well. So people can actually see it as well. But you can of course see it you guys have a great, again, very simple, very explanatory website. So yeah, I just think this is I really truly hope this goes around the world because you deserve the success and people deserve access to this because it's really, really good. Yeah.
Meegan Daigler (33:54.777)
solutions. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, thank you, Kim. This was great.
Kim (33:56.948)
Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.
