Kim Vopni (00:01.378)
Hello, Dr. Taylor, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. I know we had a bit of a few hiccups along the way to get this booked, but I appreciate your patience. I would love to have you first start out just telling us a little bit about who you are. you had messaged me and said you had some information that could help from a pelvic health perspective. And of course I was intrigued. So if you can start out by just giving us a bit of your background and what brought you into where you are now. I know you are retired now, but what
Dr Shinoah Taylor (00:16.607)
Human message and thank you for your respect for health from a health perspective and for service and treatment. So, you can start out by just giving
We're not doing our entire now, but it's to be.
Kim Vopni (00:31.392)
what gets kind of leading you in the path of pelvic health.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (00:35.766)
So am I coming through all right? can hear me fine? Wonderful. I was an elementary school teacher. That's when I graduated from my first college career, one year. And after being in kindergarten, third grade, fifth grade, I said, my gosh, these children are unable to learn. What is the problem here? Instead of having the parents come to me for parent teacher conferences, I went to the homes.
Kim Vopni (00:38.989)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (01:05.642)
to see what was going on. And that's when I said, you know, I'm at the wrong end of the spectrum. There's so many dysfunctions going on with these children that impede their learning. So I'm going to have to look into some other career. Didn't know what that was going to be until I was involved in a serious, serious car accident where I told the windshield of a Chrysler car.
being hit head on by a telephone truck. And it split my forehead completely open. I had 125 stitches. And after that, the rehabilitation of my whole body and my spine was a constant struggle. And suddenly I realized I needed to get it fixed. And I went to a chiropractic student. my goodness.
Kim Vopni (01:48.524)
you
Dr Shinoah Taylor (02:00.979)
It was a complete miracle what happened. So I decided that's it. I am going to go back to school and become a chiropractic assistant. But I talked to some chiropractors and they said, no, no, no, no, no. With your teaching career and everything, you need to become a chiropractor. And I was like, it's a lot of responsibility for people. long story short, that's what we did.
and my entire problem in my spine was healed through chiropractic care. But then I started seeing other things happening after I was into my education. We have to do eight years of education in the US just like a medical doctor. And I was constantly feeling that I was missing something. So after I started practice, and that was 50 years ago,
People were asking me like, well, I read this thing about hormones. Like, is this a good thing for me to do? And I realized that I was ill equipped for those questions. So in the United States, we have to go back every year for continuing education. And I decided to take different classes in holistic care, diet, nutrition, exercise, fitness, best management, herbology, on and on and on. And then I applied those to myself. said, what a perfect
project I have right here. And so I became a holistic doctor of chiropractic. I've had five different practices. Three of them were in the United States and two of them have been here in the southern Caribbean. One on the present island that I live on, on Dominica, and the other on the island of Antigua. So I would be three weeks here and then I'd close my office here. I'd fly to Antigua and I'd do a week there.
I was seeing 55 people a day here on Dominica. I did that for three years. And when I went to Antigua, I was seeing 160 people in a week. And I did that for 18 years going back and forth. Not only that, but I did a lot of other workshops, public speaking. I'm very good at that. So I put that to use. I love teaching. However,
Kim Vopni (04:02.592)
Wow.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (04:25.39)
I decided to have my children at home. I had my son and my daughter into different places and it was really wonderful to learn all of that about what my body can do. But later in my practicing years, I started noticing some problems with my pelvic area and of course I knew what was happening. My uterus was starting to descend and I went through some deaths of husbands which was very traumatic.
And finally I said, you know, I'm going to have to look into this, but I don't have time now. I need to take care of other people. finally last year.
I was told in no uncertain terms that I needed to stop and retire. I had a stroke which came out of the clear blue and just put me right in present time. A very humbling experience and then I had to not only work with my pelvic area, I had to work all over with my entire nervous system and retrain it again. Thank heavens for my holistic background.
because I exercise every day, I do yoga, shigong, tai chi, lots of different things. So very holistically oriented. After I did the rehabilitation last year, and I did that completely natural, I don't take any drugs, push the prescribed, everything that I did to get back to my normal self, and then some, is between what I know and the source. The source, okay.
So at the beginning of this year, I said, okay, now that you're retired and you're not taking care of patients anymore, last year was your recovery time, it's time to do for you. I need some help in this pelvic floor area. So a friend of mine hooked me up with a physical therapist who is also a pelvic floor specialist. And she spent about three months with me just once a week. And then,
Dr Shinoah Taylor (06:36.579)
the holidays came and forgot about it and then this year started and I was going through looking up some things about pelvic floor health and I see this buff-up and I thought, very, very creative title, this I have to look at. And there you were and I saw that you were doing holistic, you had diet, you had nutrition, you had supplements, you had exercises, you had mental, I was like, lady.
is my savior. I signed up immediately. I've been with you ever since. looking at all the different things that you were doing and applying them, said, there's a key that I have that she may be interested in. It's called neural lymphatic massage points. And I sent you a message. And then you said, we'll do a little
a little video about it and let me take a look at it. And I did that. And here we are today. So one little thing I did want to tell you is that I was doing one of your videos a couple of weeks ago and I was lying on my side and lifting one of the legs up and you said something about you're using muscles there that you normally don't use just separately and you may have some shaking.
And so I lifted my leg up and sure enough, I started shaking. I was like, no way. Then my whole body started shaking. I'm like, my gosh, am I having, it's an earthquake.
My whole body was shaking and I had split the decisions to make am I going to get up and run or am I going to lay here and just go through it and apply what I know I should do. So it was sort of funny when I got through it and I sent a message to in your comments section telling your group that answers them you know what had happened that we had a little bit of a laugh about that but I immediately did the neurolymphatic massage point after that because I wanted to make sure that because of that trauma
Dr Shinoah Taylor (08:44.875)
that my body would then be rebalanced. So that's how important they are to me. And of course, we're going to discuss more about that for the whole Buff Muff community. And I'm very excited about that. Yeah. Well, I hope that's great. guess, what is, where did you?
Kim Vopni (08:56.672)
Yeah well I love that story. I guess what is like where did you first learn about this technique and how did you get trained and what does neurolymphatic massage mean? The term that I hadn't heard of before and I don't think a lot of other people have either.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (09:10.061)
Sure.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (09:14.871)
Sure. Okay, so let's just take one question at a time. During my studies in chiropractic college, we were given a lot of options on different techniques that we could use in working with patients. And one of them was applied kinesiology. So let me give you kind of the dictionary definition of that. It is a study of the principles
of the mechanics and anatomy in relation to human movement. Well, that certainly fits chiropractic. That certainly fits what you're doing. So I said, yeah, I want to learn that. So I took a course that was for lay people because I thought if this is good enough for us, are they giving it to the general public that they can learn some of it too? And it was called Touch for Health.
Kim Vopni (09:52.899)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (10:14.732)
It's from this tome, which you can order on Amazon. It's got everything in it that I learned. It is for the litigant person, the general public. And you really can't hurt anybody if you follow what's in this book. What I also like about the Touch for Health is that they do some of the scientific research as to why this works and how it works. So that's what applied kinesiology is. Another name for it is
muscle testing. That's the easier name. So let me just talk to you a little bit about that and then we'll go into the neuro-lymphatic massage points. Okay? All right. So muscle testing is a diagnostic and treatment system that uses manual muscle testing to assess the balance of structure
Kim Vopni (10:53.826)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (11:11.93)
So how are your bones aligned as well as how are the muscles functioning? It also analyzes your chemistry of the body and the mental aspect of health based on the belief that muscle weakness is an indicator of an underlying issue. So I've gone to gyms before and I've seen men working out and I can tell that one side of them is weaker than the other and they're pushing that so much harder.
And it turns out that is unhealthy. They obviously have something going on there that needs some more fixing or work before they can start doing all of their workouts. So in understanding that, I had a lot of personal trainers. I had a lot of instructors. had a lot of coaches come to me. And they were absolutely blown away with what we could do for their players.
And actually right now some of US teams have chiropractors that use applied chinesiology that travel with them because it's so important. Okay? So when I saw what applied chinesiology or muscle testing was doing, I saw that it was very holistic. It fit right into my lifestyle. Now it was developed by a chiropractor. His name is Dr. George Goodhart and he developed it starting in 1964.
He is no longer on the planet. His son has taken over and both Dr. Goodhart, who is not on the planet and his son wrote the book, Touch for Health. So they used it for nutritional deficiencies, allergies, muscle imbalances and organ dysfunction. And that gave me a whole new field to work with with my patients. And that is why some of the results that I got were so as
compounding compared with the limited scope chiropractors that just are moving bones back into alignment. But don't get me wrong, that is very helpful as well. Okay? It's just that when you broaden it, you can watch the miracle right before your eyes. It's just remarkable. So, getting back to the second part of your question, which was, tell me that again, what neurolymphatic misalignments were.
Kim Vopni (13:33.804)
Well, yes, I do want to go there, but while we're still on the topic of applied kinesiology and muscle testing, what does, can you give an example of what a muscle test, what, how do you test muscles?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (13:44.26)
Yeah, yes, I can. Getting my way here. Sure. In fact, what I was hoping I could do eventually, if you feel that my information is valuable enough, is to make an actual video to show people they can look at it and watch what I'm doing to stimulate those neurolymphatic massage points. They don't have to do the muscle point testing. They can just do those points every day. I mean, that just makes so much sense.
So let me describe muscle testing to you the way that I describe it to my patients, okay? We know that most muscles come in pairs. We have this muscle the same over here as over here. We have this muscle here the same as over here. So when you think about the pairs, then if you know how to put that muscle to its greatest tension,
you can find out if those muscles feel equally balanced to you. So muscle testing is based on that. Let's just take this muscle here, which is the middle trapezius. We can do a test for that that puts that muscle at its greatest tension. We can check it from side to side. Most of the time, if it's not balanced, one muscle will lock very quickly, and the patient can feel that.
The other muscle will kind of just not maybe lock at all or they'll go half through the, and of course their eyes get very big because they had no idea that that was happening. So as we do the muscle testing, we have to learn how to hold the arm, the leg, the body, because it's all those areas that we use, the neck, the head. We have to learn the position to put those in and how they need to hold while you press a certain way.
so that we have some resistance and tension to find out if that muscle is healthy on each side. Now, if I do make another video, then I do have a patient friend of mine who said they'd be happy to demonstrate it because not everybody is willing to get in front of a camera and do it and do it authentically. So I just wanted to put that in there. All right. So then when we find out that one of those muscles is not locking,
Dr Shinoah Taylor (16:05.053)
as strongly as the other. We know that there is a neurolymphatic massage point involved. They go hand in hand. Now let me describe a little bit about how it would feel. The neurolymphatic massage points are all over the body. In fact, this is a chart that shows you. Can you see all the dots there?
Kim Vopni (16:28.353)
And for those of you that are just listening, would invite you to go over to the YouTube channel to watch the video so you'd be able to see what Dr. Taylor is holding up.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (16:37.416)
Most of them you see are on the torso of the body here, but there are some on the legs as well. And of course, there are some in the pelvic area on the front and the back. So it's a pretty big system. Now oftentimes, when I show the person where the neurolymphatic massage point is that we're going to massage or rub, it can feel tender there. Sometimes they go, I didn't know that was painful.
because there has been an imbalance or a weakness in that area for a long time and the body immediately lets you know by having some discomfort there. So sometimes you can feel a little, almost like a little pee in that area when you rub it. And sometimes it's barely, you can barely feel anything, but the person says to you, it feels sore there.
So you just rub those points. Now usually for most of the muscles, there's a point on the front and there's a point on the back. And so I teach my patients how to do those or have someone do them for them. So we rub those neurolymphatic massage points. That's the massage part of it. And then we go back and we check those muscles. We check the one that was strong. person goes, yeah. We check the other one that was kind of wimpy and it locks.
And the person goes, my gosh, it matches. Yes. That's the important part. Because even with some of the exercises that you are showing, especially some with the weights and with the bands, if those muscles are not balanced, strength lies from side to side, then you are setting up a stronger imbalance. And that's where I feel it's so important the results of the community of Buffmuffin would
astronomically get better. know they will. Especially if it helped me after an earthquake. So we'll use that as our marker,
Kim Vopni (18:36.45)
Very cool.
Yeah.
Crazy timing on that one, that was funny. So when we think of, when you're talking about these points and you held up a diagram that shows they're all over the place and some which reside in the pelvis, if, it, like you mentioned the trapezius, so would the neurolymphatic points associated with the trapezius, the mid trapezius be centered around that area or could it be somewhere else in the body?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (18:56.754)
Yeah.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (19:11.813)
I'm so glad you brought that up because I had put a big red star by that on my notes. No, many times the points are not related close to where that muscle is located. It's very interesting, but you see, I mean, I'm not, I am so excited. I'm 77, going to be 78 in January. I am so excited about the recuperative powers of this amazing thing.
that we call our body and most of the time we aren't told much of this in our daily lives.
Kim Vopni (19:45.711)
Yeah and so you mentioned that after the earthquake happened and there was the trauma response in the body of that so you had the the shaking from the exercise and then all of sudden you realize there's an earthquake and everything's happening and you have this trauma response. did you you said you went and did some neurolymphatic massage after what points did you use and why did you choose those ones?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (20:06.435)
Well, obviously I knew what muscle I was working with. Now, these, the muscles that would most relate to the pelvic floor that we would be interested in would be the peroneus, the psoas, the gluteus minimus, gluteus maximus, the adductors, the piriformis, the tensor fasciae latae, and that's also called the IT bands, and the hamstrings, and the quadratus lumborum.
But because my whole body was in the earthquake, I said, well, I'm just going to do them all because everything affects everything. And the body is always compensating. So if this muscle is kind of wimpy wimpy, I call it a flat tire. Patients really can relate with that. And then I say, OK, we're going to pump the tire back up. We're going to rub these neurolymphatic massage points. Your tire will be pumped up. then, of course, it feels strengthened.
Kim Vopni (20:40.259)
Mm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (21:01.74)
So after I did them, then I went and I laid down again and I moved my leg and sure enough it was fine. So it was a great way to recheck.
Kim Vopni (21:12.14)
And when you do the points, you talked about pressing or rubbing. How could it be? Is it with your own fingers? Is it with a tool? And how long do you do it at each point?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (21:24.045)
Very good questions and those I had answered too in some of my notes, so it's spot on. Usually I tell people to take three fingers if they're rubbing on any part of their body here, just three fingers because if you don't think you're catching the point, you probably will with the three fingers because it's wide enough, okay? And then I just tell them to rub to the count of 10. It's the body responds so fast. So I'll say just keep rubbing, just keep rubbing.
kind of go in little circles, just to count to 10. And how often do you do them? Well, I work them into my workout every day in the morning. But now, if you are going to be doing some walk running, or you're really going to be in an athletic event, like a marathon, I would do them before and after. But I make sure that I'm doing every day. And right after I have the stroke, well, actually,
I was in the emergency room and I was already rubbing all these points. I was doing all the healing work on myself that I could know to do. I was wheeled into the emergency room. Six hours later, after they told me I was going to stay and I said, no, I'm going to go home and look at myself, I walked out without any wheelchair. And I know that was because of what I need to do.
Kim Vopni (22:49.378)
Wow, very cool. I'm thinking about like, Perry, Dr. Perry Nicholson, who he has what he calls the big six and it's, in he usually does it in the morning. So lymphatic points, the lymphatic drainage points and you sort of, do a series of 10 rubs and pats at six locations is what he chooses on the body from a lymphatic perspective. So we think of the lymph system requiring
Dr Shinoah Taylor (22:55.521)
Jerry.
Kim Vopni (23:18.546)
movement. doesn't just naturally, it's not like our circulation system. It needs something to help. So from a neurolymphatic perspective, what is the, is it like, how is it influencing the neuro, the neurological or the nervous system?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (23:33.464)
Right. Okay, so first off, let me say that there are two times as many lymph vessels and lymph in the body as there are blood vessels and blood. Wow. That's impressive. Because that lymphatic system is not just there to help drain any toxicity from the body.
Kim Vopni (23:50.253)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (24:00.907)
but it's also there to bring proteins and hormones and fats to all the cells. So it's got a lot to do, but you are very correct. The blood has the heart that pumps it in and out, in and out, in and out. The lymphatic system has no heart. The only thing that gets that lymph moving is movement. And of course, certain types of movement. Doing this, sitting in a chair all day is not gonna get your lymphatic system moving, okay?
Kim Vopni (24:30.03)
you
Dr Shinoah Taylor (24:30.575)
So some of those basic movements that people teach are basic general movements. I'm a little bit more specific because we're doing all of these that I showed you on the chart, which relate to all those nine muscles specifically for the pelvic area. But if you do all of them, you're just benefiting your body 10 times more than you could imagine.
So did that answer your question?
Kim Vopni (25:00.174)
Yeah, and what does your practice look like when you say you incorporate it, you do buff muff workouts and you're incorporating this into the buff muff workout? Is that what you mean? What does that look like?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (25:10.784)
Yeah. Okay, so usually when I get out to my workout space, I have so many things that I want to do. I've got the exercise ball, you know, which you recommended and I had it, the physical therapist and pelvic floor specialist recommended it. So I'll walk out there and I'll go, okay, I feel maybe I need to get a little balance first today.
So I might do a few yoga poses. I've been doing yoga for 19 years, so it's just part of my lifestyle. And then I'll think, hmm, okay, I'm gonna do my neuro-lymphatic massage points next, because that just feels like the next step. Wasn't as good of balancing, I'm at one position, you know, I've been doing it so much, I'm so finely tuned, it's almost like I'm inside my cells. And so then maybe I'll go ahead and I'll do
all of the like what I'm going to show on the video. Then I might go on to the bands, use some of the bands. I don't necessarily, I've done both of your 28 day challenges and actually what I decided to do. So I'm still a little old school sometimes. I like writing things down. I don't like to always be using my phone, especially when I'm
in this gorgeous workout area in the rainforest and I've got this bone and I'm you know so I'm making little index cards of all of your exercises and all of the exercises that I learned from the pelvic floor specialists and a lot of them overlap okay and then I'm I'm putting them under balls the stretchy bands bands I'm putting them under
sitting, standing, laying, so that I can just grab real quick and take one out look at it. I'm just going to do a little stick figure on it so that I, there's a lot up here in this head, just so that I can zoom in. And then I'll feel a little bit less technologically, you know, algorithmed. I'd like to be a little bit more human. So anyway, I started on that. So sometimes I'll go through my head and I'll go.
Kim Vopni (27:10.446)
you
Kim Vopni (27:19.853)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (27:28.655)
I'm going to do the weights this morning. Yeah. I'm especially going to do the one where I'm balancing on the one leg and then I'm lifting the weight to the side like this. So then I'm doing what you showed. Okay. and then I might go into doing, I made a, a, YouTube video and also DVD. That's really dating me of 10 techniques that I borrowed from many different places.
in my long 55-year career of paraplegic. And I call them the Power Pack 10. And actually, I just gave that workshop in September for September Wellness Month on Dominica. It's just an hour and a half to two hours long. And it is 10 techniques that once you learn them, only take 10 minutes to do all of them.
and they balance 10 different systems of the body. mean like, am I grateful or what? And so then I'll maybe think, you know, I'm gonna go on and I'm gonna do the breathing one, I'm gonna do the spinal rotation, you know. And so I go through what I feel I'm supposed to have, but always the neurolymphatics are done every day. I have to, I had...
the mini stroke, I have to do those every day. Yeah.
Kim Vopni (29:01.038)
And in terms of your pelvic floor with your, were explaining how to uterus, a uterine prolapse, what's changed? What have you noticed that has changed in your pelvic floor with the combination of the buff muff plus your, your neurolymphatic massage?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (29:16.291)
Yeah. Now I was doing the neuro-lymphatic massage way before Buffmull, okay? So that's a very good question because I can compare the two, all right? So I have been, some of my friends have told me when I get massaged, they'll say, we think you're getting younger. Your muscles are getting tighter here and the only other thing that I'm doing is the weights and
Kim Vopni (29:27.15)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (29:44.981)
and the pelvic floor. The other thing is that I still walk my dog and I was doing some Afro-Caribbean dance classes and I could tell when I was doing some of those movements, if you see how the wonderful Afro-Americans dance, they got a lot of hip movement compared with Americans and other people.
So I could tell that it was becoming firmer in there. And then I can also notice that my uterus looks sometimes like it's slowly going back up. Okay? Yeah, but I must tell you that this mine has been going on for a long time. Because remember, I put it aside so I wasn't expecting that in one year I was going to see
Kim Vopni (30:31.938)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (30:40.498)
huge change, but I have seen enough that I am incredibly encouraged and then I thought, put the neurolymphatic with it. And I bet you that Kim would get some great comments from the, from the community of Buffmoth. So, okay. Cool. So what would be like, you mentioned a few of the...
Kim Vopni (30:41.997)
Yep.
Kim Vopni (30:55.064)
Cool, so what would be, like you mentioned a few of the touch points for the pelvis, psoas, QL. I talk a lot about the psoas. What would be, where is the point for that? What does it look like? And do you do, you mentioned the balance. So would you do both sides or would you only do the one side?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (31:02.7)
Yeah.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (31:13.599)
you
Dr Shinoah Taylor (31:19.049)
Okay, when you talk about balance now, of course patients can patients people could not test themselves For the muscles you have to have somebody else to do that for you Okay, but never ever always do one side of the body. You always do both sides So let's take let's take one that's real easy to describe and that's the the tensor fascia lotta or the IT bands which hook right?
Kim Vopni (31:28.056)
right.
Kim Vopni (31:31.63)
Yeah.
Kim Vopni (31:37.41)
Yeah, okay.
Kim Vopni (31:45.102)
So this is down the side of the lake.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (31:47.066)
Right where your leg bone fits into your hip. Okay, you take the palm of your hand and you just make circles and you rub down as you bend over until you get to your knees. Okay, so you're rubbing down there. And then you take both of your hands and make like a V and you reach back and you rub up and down on your whole sacral area. The sacrum is the triangular bone with the tailbone on the end of it. So that's how you do the tensor fascia lata.
Kim Vopni (31:51.522)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (31:58.276)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (32:13.455)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (32:16.937)
Okay, so no, it's a whole, yes, it's a whole, if you look on here, it's a whole part of the leg coming down to the knee here, and then it's on the back right here. So it's a lot of points, but...
Kim Vopni (32:17.497)
So two, technically two points.
Well, many points, yeah.
Kim Vopni (32:35.363)
Yeah.
A lot of points in two separate kind of actions. Yeah.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (32:40.997)
Right, and you always do them side to side. You never just do one. That's why after the earthquake, I didn't just do this left side. I did everything, because remember the body always compensates, always.
Kim Vopni (32:53.209)
Right.
Kim Vopni (32:57.913)
Got it, cool. Well, yeah, and so that's the TFL. I'm just thinking if tension, as you know, we talk about it a lot in Buff Muff, that's a big.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (32:58.299)
Okay, answer your question.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (33:07.323)
Thank you.
Kim Vopni (33:11.183)
a big part of many people's challenges. It could be contributing to pain, could be contributing to like pain in the pelvis, pain in the back, pain in the hips, sexual pain, incontinence, prolapse, and a lot of people have this disconnect about how can I be tight if I'm leaking? But tension is a big contributor. if we think of this from the
Dr Shinoah Taylor (33:19.753)
Yeah.
Kim Vopni (33:36.323)
neurolymphatic massage perspective being an imbalance. What like when I think of imbalances and when I think of pain, they're often it sometimes can be both sides that are tight. Sometimes it can be one side that is tighter and there is that imbalance. there do you see or did you see when you were practicing that there was a more common pattern of it being all like both sides or more one side that was kind of locked or tight?
Dr Shinoah Taylor (33:40.434)
Yes.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (33:48.008)
Thanks
Dr Shinoah Taylor (34:06.639)
Good question. There are two major areas that all could have more tightness on one side than the other. All the trapezius here, upper trapezius, middle trapezius, and lower trapezius, which goes down into the shoulder area. And that's because of sitting in front of our computers all the time.
And holding our phones like this with our head down terrible get those phones up here this way It's better for the neck and shoulders. So that is an area that repeats continuously and then there is the whole low back and buttocks area and again sitting too much Sitting sitting sitting so those two oftentimes we can find bilateral
Kim Vopni (34:46.232)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (34:50.989)
Yep.
Yep.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (34:59.047)
especially with the quadratus lumborum, which is the big support muscle in our back, those two big bands that help us feel like we're erect, oftentimes both of those can be flat tires. And the person is, you know, I'm having problems in my shoulder. feel like I want to, I can't sit long. Then I know it's pretty much quadratus lumborum. And so when I do the muscle test for that and they blow out on both sides,
Then there's certain points that you have to rub that will fix the bilateral. You don't just do one side and then the other. There's points that you can do for the bilateral that will fix both of them together.
Kim Vopni (35:37.763)
I'm thinking about, I attend a fitness conference every year and one of the presenters that I always go to his sessions because he's such a dynamic presenter and I really like his information. The more you're talking and speaking about this, am certain that he is an applied, he's a personal trainer, but I'm certain he is applied, is using applied kinesiology. Where could people, like there, I've heard the term applied kinesiology. I hadn't heard of neurolymphatic massage. There are,
Dr Shinoah Taylor (35:55.867)
kinesiology.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (36:05.607)
All right.
Kim Vopni (36:07.022)
is there a certifying body I guess of applied kinesiologists? Is it different from somebody who goes to school to become a kinesiologist? Is there an additional degree or additional path to become an applied kinesiologist? I'm just thinking about people who might want to go and work with somebody in person and get this muscle testing done.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (36:24.164)
Sure, sure. Well first off I can tell our general community that if you feel you're out of alignment in any way, shape, form, please look across your whole option of chiropractors and find a holistic chiropractor that probably uses non-force adjusting. Okay? So that's the first thing, because you can have that done and they would be up to date as to where you could go in your local area. They would know that.
We just had a certain group of chiropractors that were known as the applied kinesiologists. And that's all that they focused on because that's a huge body of information and it's a huge amount of upgrade for our physical bodies. So we just had kind of the applied kinesiologists, which I didn't become an applied kinesiologist. I became a certified touch for health instructor.
because I wanted to be able to show my patients, you can do this, do this for your child that is constantly saying, my neck hurts, just do this, and it will help. So, or they bring their child in to see me. But anyway, I wanted to get to the general public. I wanted to reach a lot more. And for those then that became even more infatuated by it, then go online and look in your general area. I had been out of the United States for...
23 years. So I don't know what's going on over there as far as licensure and so on. I would have to Google it myself to find out. But yes, there is a group of applied kinesiologists that are separate from the others. So you can use Touch for Health and you're using applied kinesiology and muscle testing. You can do it on your family, but the moment that you put out a sign or you start taking money for it, you better CYA.
by getting certified. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Kim Vopni (38:21.132)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So somebody looking, as you just said, they could look for a touch for health practitioner, right? Yeah, okay, good.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (38:28.886)
Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
Kim Vopni (38:32.518)
And then there are some where like I see a Nuka chiropractor and a lot of what she does as you're describing neurolymphatic massage is sounding very much like what she's doing as well. So there will be certain practitioners or as I said this kinesiologist presenter he has an exercise therapy association is his business. So there will be practitioners out there in many different fields probably that use similar techniques. And I know you don't have a you're not practicing anymore.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (38:39.756)
Sounds familiar.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (38:44.512)
Yes.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (38:50.242)
Okay.
Kim Vopni (39:02.352)
have a website, but you would direct people to touch for health as a good resource for them. Yeah, okay, perfect.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (39:06.817)
Yes, yes, definitely. Or a local chiropractor that's homeless. Now, the truth is that I'm still seeing some patients because they just won't let me go. know, even during COVID, immediately my phone started ringing. Now, I had already closed my office because Hurricane Maria had devastated our island in 2017. It was gone.
Kim Vopni (39:12.182)
Yeah, yeah.
Kim Vopni (39:18.018)
You
Yep.
Kim Vopni (39:26.734)
Yeah.
Kim Vopni (39:33.038)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (39:34.588)
And so I didn't come back here for a year. And then the phone started, you actually it was other things besides the phone because we didn't have any phone, but the word got to me and I started seeing people and I ended up seeing about 25 people a week all through the COVID. Yeah. And so that was far less than what I was used to seeing, but it still was intense because
Kim Vopni (39:45.238)
Right, right.
Kim Vopni (39:55.51)
Yep, yep.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (40:02.14)
They were coming in masks and gloves and all of that. There is no way that I can put gloves on these hands and do my work. mean, these are fine-tuned instruments. there were lot of decisions that we had to make about that. But I had the high kinesiology and I'd say, do this, this, and this when you go home. Will that work on my son? Yes, just do it on your son. So,
Kim Vopni (40:05.762)
Yeah.
Kim Vopni (40:15.83)
Yep.
Kim Vopni (40:21.837)
Yeah.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (40:31.41)
I love what I do. I've had a hard time really, really retiring. That's why I want, I'm doing workshops now for people as well. And I'd love to come to your Canadian seminar experience. I would travel. I would definitely travel. I can do the Power Pack 10. People would love it. Yeah.
Kim Vopni (40:31.712)
Interesting. Yeah.
Yeah, I can tell.
Kim Vopni (40:49.388)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (40:56.162)
That would be very cool. Well, this has been a fascinating massage. really appreciate you reaching out and thank you for being part of my community and thank you for the work that you're doing and for sharing it here on the podcast. I'll put the links to the resources that you've recommended in the show notes. yeah, and I know I hope to come to Dominica one day. So when I do, I'll look you up. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (41:10.749)
Okay.
Dr Shinoah Taylor (41:18.301)
I would love that. Yes. Well, thank you again for stepping outside of your comfort zone and saying, yeah, let's give this a try. Okay. And let me know again. We'll keep in touch. See what you want me to do next, if anything. If not, I feel happy I've done this. So, okay. All right. Thanks Kim. I appreciate it. Bye bye.
Kim Vopni (41:27.382)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Kim Vopni (41:36.408)
Amazing. Thank you so much, Dr. Taylor.
