Kim Vopni (00:02.077)
Dr. Donnie Wilson, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm excited to have you on the show and talk about all things HPV, which we haven't covered yet on the podcast and you, you focus, you specialize in this area. So before we get into the topic, really, I would love to know a little bit about you, what brought you into health and what then brought you down the path of focusing on HPV in particular.
Dr. Doni Wilson (00:32.258)
Thank you for asking and thank you for having me here. I'm so glad to be opening up this conversation for women. And I started off getting interested in helping women with their health at a pretty young age because I was inspired by my own health issues and what I was going through. In fact, I was diagnosed with HPV in my early 20s and was dealing with it like many women on my own, all alone, afraid, not knowing what to do, not getting near enough.
information and I could see that this is an area that women needed more help. Now I was getting a pre-med degree at the time and I also became very interested in midwifery as well as nutrition and I started asking the question, well why doesn't medicine use nutrition to help people heal? And that question led me to Bastyr University which is the leading naturopathic medical school where I received my doctorate degree.
and my certification as a midwife. And so I just went straight there in my 20s. Like I was like, I got that. I'm so grateful that I had that clarity from such a young age to say, I wanna help women with their health and I wanna get the training that's gonna allow me to do that, including using food as medicine, nutrients, herbs, and prevention of health issues like HPV versus waiting till it's...
The only option is surgery. What if we can start sooner? So I've been practicing for almost 26 years now as a naturopathic doctor and midwife and clinical nutritionist. And I've helped women with all different health issues along the way. It's been very clear that HPV and abnormal pap smears is an area that I have a lot of experience with and can help so many women. So it's become more and more of my focus.
Kim Vopni (02:26.313)
Mm-hmm. Very cool. What is, for those who may not know, what is HPV?
Dr. Doni Wilson (02:35.372)
We talk about HPV as if it's a single thing and it's now identified over 150 different types. It's human papillomavirus and there's over 150 different types of it. Now when we're talking about HPV, we're mostly talking about the high-risk types, which they're called high-risk types because they have been associated with cancer risk. Now it doesn't mean that testing positive for high-risk HPV is definitely going to cause cancer.
It just means that there's the risk that it could cause cancer and so we need to be that's why we're focused on those particular types of HPV. There's also the low risk types of HPV and those are more associated with warts could be warts on your hands or feet and or genital warts and they're not associated with cancer risk. So there's 14 that we know of at this point in time 14 of the types of HPV that are associated with cancer risk and
That's what women are tested for when they're now going in for a pap smear. Now, most times women are being also tested for high risk HPV types.
Kim Vopni (03:46.932)
So I heard you on a podcast one time and it was, believe these numbers that were sort of blowing my mind where we are told about the vaccine, HPV vaccine, but if I understood correctly in that podcast, similar to what you're just saying here, it only actually screens for a smaller number of the whole bigger picture of HPV. Is that accurate?
Dr. Doni Wilson (04:12.588)
And it's such an important, I'm so glad you're asking about this because most women have heard about the vaccine and are told, well, you should just get the vaccine or you should have gotten the vaccine. And so a lot of women feel a lot of regret if they happen to not been able to get the vaccine or, you know, for whatever reason. And I like to clarify this, that just because you have gotten it, even if you've gotten the HPV vaccine, it's not 100 % effective. So what you're describing is that it currently covers
seven of the high risk types and two of the low risk types. But I just also said there's at least 14 high risk types. So that's only 50 % of them. And even of the seven that it covers, it's not 100 % effective. That's why even when women get the vaccine, it's important that they still continue with screening exams, still get Pap smear HPV testing, because you're still at risk of cervical cancer and other HPV related cancer, even if you've had the vaccine.
Kim Vopni (05:13.819)
So looking at comparing, not even really comparing, but the different approaches. So we have the allopathic model, conventional medical model, and you're more on the naturopathic side. What are the most striking differences in terms of how we are approaching HPV, both from a prevention and a treatment side?
Dr. Doni Wilson (05:37.389)
Well...
way that I help women to understand this because when women go in to see their gynecologist or whichever provider is completing the PAP and maybe a biopsy or other procedure, those practitioners tend to be trained as surgeons, right? So they're trained to do a PAP, a biopsy, and if the cells are more advanced, they're trained to do a procedure or a surgery to remove those abnormal cells. If it turns into cancer, you'll be referred to an oncologist, right? So you always have
to keep in mind what is the training of the provider that I'm going to because that's what they're going to offer. Whereas as a naturopathic doctor and clinical nutritionist and midwife, my training is again about how do we look at underlying causes, how do we use natural approaches to prevent a progression and so my approach is going to be more about how do we use diet changes, lifestyle changes, specific clinical doses of nutrients.
herbs and other function what might be called functional medicine or integrative medicine approaches that have been
validated in research. There's actually quite a lot of research on how natural substances can help protect women from HPV. It's just that most providers didn't get that training, right? They're not getting training in nutrition or supplements or herbs. It's just not part of their training. And so that's the real difference in the approach is, and I see the gap for women is that women are not told that there's these other options. And so they're going to the gynecologist for the exam and
Dr. Doni Wilson (07:16.528)
being told, there's nothing you can do except wait and see if you need a procedure or surgery. And it's simply not the truth because over here in my approach to healthcare, there's so much we can do.
Kim Vopni (07:34.385)
Yeah, and I feel like that's sort of becoming the norm with so many things. A lot of aha moment light bulbs, light bulb moments are happening for people when they they learn about other ways of approaching our health. What are some of the underlying causes of HPV?
Dr. Doni Wilson (07:58.008)
Well, so here's the thing is a lot of times people are like, well, they think, it's just about exposure. And a lot of times women really get stuck there because it's, it feels very heavy to feel like, I got exposed to this virus. Now it's too late. I can't go back in time and change that exposure. And now my practitioner is saying there's nothing I can do about it except wait and see if it becomes a bigger issue. And so it's like a,
It's all of the focuses on the exposure to the virus and that that's the whole focus and I'm saying Wait a minute. That's okay. Yes at some point you must have gotten exposed if it's testing positive But the fact is is that 80 percent of us are exposed to this virus by age 50 So it's not uncommon to be exposed to hpb and it's not about sexual promiscuity either a lot of times this this misconception that if someone tests
positive for HPV, means they had multiple sexual partners and so women feel embarrassed to talk about it. And I want to clarify that it's not about that. I talk to women every day who've had only one or few sexual partners and still got exposed to HPV. And so to me, it's not just about exposure. We have to look beyond that to what you're asking me, which is what's underlying that? Because we need to know that the human immune system has the innate capacity
capacity to clear HPV virus. This is a virus that research shows over and over again that our immune system can completely get it out of our system. If our immune system is functioning and healthy and if our microbiome is balanced and functioning to protect us, it's going to be able to clear it. In fact, 90 % of cases clear to negative within two years.
Kim Vopni (09:52.51)
Wow.
Dr. Doni Wilson (09:53.42)
So if 90 % of it is going away completely, not coming back within two years of testing positive,
What I do is I put my focus on how do we get more women into that group, right? What's happening in the group of the 10 % or so that it's not clearing? When we start asking why, that's where we start getting more answers and we find things like nutrient deficiency, something as simple as a nutrient deficiency, which practitioners could find in blood work if they order the right tests. They could identify nutrient deficiencies that could be making
Kim Vopni (10:05.587)
Yeah.
Dr. Doni Wilson (10:30.316)
a person more susceptible to the virus and not able to clear it and once we address those nutrient deficiencies those women are able to clear it that's like so simple right just nutrient deficiencies let alone for women who are over menopause after menopause one of the common susceptibilities is low estrogen vaginally which i know you like to talk about too
Kim Vopni (10:40.283)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (10:52.755)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (10:54.388)
Unfortunately, women have been scared to death about using estrogen for the past couple decades and lo and behold, when women have low estrogen postmenopausally and put low estrogen vaginally, it lowers the lactobacillus in the vagina and it makes us more susceptible to high risk HPV. This is why women over 50 are still testing positive for HPV in abnormal cells and have cervical cancer risk. Right when they're thinking, I
have to worry about this I'm over 50. No you do need to worry about it and one of the best things we can do for women is to help them reestablish healthy vaginal estrogen levels.
Kim Vopni (11:36.467)
Yeah, I love that. Is is sexual activity the only way that we can become exposed?
Dr. Doni Wilson (11:44.186)
it's from skin-to-skin contact genitally. pretty much, I mean, it could be intimacy in some form, Like women have said to me that, you know, it wasn't like intercourse 100%. It could be just genital contact where we get exposed that we know of, right? Like it's something that's hard to completely track.
Kim Vopni (11:58.505)
course per se.
Dr. Doni Wilson (12:10.614)
But yes, it's not from, because some women worry is it, am I going to give it to someone if I hug them or kiss them? As far as we know, it's not going to pass through those kind of contacts, like just kissing a person or hugging a person or a child is not going to pass it. There is the potential very low likelihood of passing it to a baby during childbirth.
cases the baby is able to clear the virus but there are very few numbers of cases where the baby then is testing positive for HPV after having been past the virus during childbirth and so that is a possibility however we don't it's not something that prevents women from delivering a baby if they testing positive and I do help women during pregnancy because a lot of times what happens is women are thinking of getting pregnant
and they think, I better go to the gynecologist. And so they go in for a pap smear and they find out that they're testing positive for HPV and maybe have abnormal cells. And then they find out they're pregnant right after. And so they're contacting me saying, what do I do now? Because most practitioners, again, there's nothing they can offer them. They just say, well, just wait through your pregnancy. And after the pregnancy, we can see if it got worse.
I just say to women, there's no reason for you to wait. There's so many things we can do safely and effectively even during pregnancy and breastfeeding to help women clear the virus, prevent it from progressing so they can have a healthy baby and be HPV free by the end of the pregnancy.
Kim Vopni (13:47.593)
So with regards to, I think let's talk about the, like you've mentioned a lot of clearing the virus, clearing the virus. So let's go there first. Somebody has now come to you, and I don't know, I'm making an assumption, maybe it's different if they're pregnant versus not, we can talk about those differences. But somebody's coming to you, they have HPV. How, and you've mentioned nutrient deficiencies. So what could potentially,
nutrition deficiencies be? How would you bolster the immune system and how is it that the body is then when you say clearing what does that mean? we do we have to detox? we you know are those protocols part of the situation?
Dr. Doni Wilson (14:30.254)
Such good questions and that's exactly what I and that's why the protocol that I guide women through it It's working on all these levels at once and I like to emphasize that because a lot of times women will start searching online What can I do? What can I do and they might come across a single product, right? It seems like the quick fix the magic pill the most common one that women come across is called AHCC which is a extract of shiitake mushrooms and there is some research to show that
that AHCC can help with.
the supporting the immune system to get rid of HPV. But in my mind, it's not a, it's not a comprehensive approach, right? It's just taking a single substance to boost the immune system to get the immune system to get rid of this virus. But that to me is not a long-term solution. When then women stop taking it, they might end up, it might end up not have been enough to completely clear the virus. Now, when I say clear the virus, what I mean is the most advanced testing that exists
now for HPV and this didn't exist 20-30 years ago. 20-30 years ago we didn't fully understand that the virus we couldn't see on a test result that the virus is gone but now we can because when we test for HPV we're not just testing based on an antibody response right it's not we're not just looking at the immune system like we do for other viruses we're actually looking at mRNA we're looking at the DNA of the virus we can see is the virus present
And so the test result is gonna say either detected or not detected or it's gonna say Positive or negative and what that means is that if it's negative or not detected It means the virus is literally no longer present is gone and that's what we're aiming for Because when the virus is negative or not detected, it means that it can't cause cancer That's what we want, right? We want to be it's not gonna cause cancer and number two you can't pass it to another person
Dr. Doni Wilson (16:34.588)
And this is something that weighs heavily on women's minds. They think, gosh, I don't want to be sexually active and give this to my partner and then I'm going to feel really bad if they end up, because men can get cancer from HPV too. So they feel very stressed about this. So I encourage them by saying,
I'm gonna help you get to that negative not detective test result because then you're safe and your partner's safe and you can move forward from there. It's just that going for a single supplement is not gonna get you there likely. We need to have a comprehensive plan which is why I'm glad you're asking like yeah we this comprehensive plan needs to include some some essential nutrients and herbs that have research behind
and clinical effectiveness behind them.
and it needs to be individualized for the person. We need to be looking at each woman's blood work. Does she have nutrient deficiencies? Does she have higher or low blood sugar levels? Because when blood sugar is higher or low, that increases susceptibility. Any kind of hormone imbalance, even thyroid hormone imbalance, estrogen, progesterone, we talked about cortisol. If cortisol is too high or low, that increases susceptibility. We need to look at gut health.
because the gut and vagina are completely interrelated with each other. They're communicating with each other. The gut microbiome influences the vaginal microbiome. I'm sure you talk about this too. So we have to, if we want to heal the vagina, we got to heal the gut. So we need to be looking there and saying, and a lot of times women don't even realize they have gut health issues. They might not have hard burn or bloating.
Dr. Doni Wilson (18:13.582)
And yet when we look closer, we do see there's leaky gut, there's food sensitivities, there's microbiome imbalances. So then it's no wonder that there's vaginal imbalances because they're so interrelated. And so we need to help them heal their gut. And so I guide them through a process of seeing what are the underlying...
Kim Vopni (18:26.578)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (18:33.73)
factors in your case that we need to address while using clinically effective doses of nutrients and herbs that can help your immune system and your body to more effectively clear the virus but also to help your body grow new healthy cells. if a woman has let's say abnormal cells on the cervix we can use nutrients that will help because this I always like to remind women it's not like the the cervix is like set in stone right like just like the skin on our
Hands our bodies are replacing our cells Constantly even the right the cells in our gut are replacing constantly the cells on the cervix are replacing constantly cells in the vagina are replacing constantly So if there's abnormal cells, we just need to help your body see to slough those off those abnormal cells and grow back new healthy cells How do we grow back new healthy cells when we need your body to have the ability to do that based on having access to nutrients like B vitamins that are necessary for healthy cells
And so I'm looking at it on multiple levels to guide them in a very comprehensive protocol and it's there's various protocols out there, but I I'm because I've dealt with some of the most difficult cases I believe that my Protocol is the most comprehensive because I'm looking at I'm not gonna give up right I'm gonna if it comes to me I'm like I'm gonna figure this out until we get it to clear because when we come at it with that kind of attitude that's when we see success and and
sometimes women who've been struggling with this for decades.
Kim Vopni (20:06.95)
Yeah. You mentioned B vitamins. What are some of the other nutrient deficiencies that are commonly associated with HPV?
Dr. Doni Wilson (20:14.434)
Yeah, B vitamins. But the key is like, you don't just do a B vitamin test in the blood work. We need to do specifically homocysteine and methylmalonic acid and to really identify the B vitamin deficiencies in the correct way. I also see sometimes iron deficiency and this is an important one to be careful about because first of all, a lot of times iron is not tested. Again, I would test a ferritin level and we have to look for why is she deficient in iron?
because her diet is low in iron? Is it because she has heavy periods and she's losing a lot of blood every month? Is it because she has high inflammation and that's causing her iron to look low? So it really requires to dig deeper even then and say okay if iron is low let's address why the iron is low. And sometimes there's other low nutrients as well and sometimes I'm just putting in additional nutrients because I know they're gonna support the immune system
for example vitamin C. lot of us, don't, human bodies don't make vitamin C on their own. We have to get it from our diet. A lot of times women are not getting enough vitamin C from their diet and vitamin C is very safe and effective to give at low doses.
or even higher doses in some cases to at least give some support to the immune system. So sometimes we'll give vitamin C a clinical doses even without necessarily having to test the levels.
Kim Vopni (21:45.0)
What is it that, why does HPV cause cancer? sorry, why can it cause cancer?
Dr. Doni Wilson (21:56.526)
The way I think about this is the HPV virus is what's called a DNA virus. It is able to get through the mucosa lining and then it's able to literally hijack the cell. So it can go into the cell, into the nucleus of the cell, and it starts changing the DNA of the cell. And so it's a spectrum. It doesn't jump usually from.
The virus showing up and then straight to cancer overnight. It's a progression over time. That could be months or likely years, right? Slowly changing the cells as it keeps on changing the DNA and the cells. And so if you think about it, like a healthy cell, if you look under a microscope, a cell of the cervix in most places in our body is a nice round pink healthy cell with a darker colored nucleus. And if you look at the gradation of cell,
as they progress HPV comes in it gets into the nucleus and the cell starts to look
Different shape not quite so round and pink and the nucleus starts to change shape and and we start to see Inflammatory changes in the cell and you can we can actually see this now when the doctors do Specialized kind of pap smears they can even see there's inflammation and cell changes that show us the HPV virus is active in that cell and causing abnormalities and if it progresses to more and more abnormal shape of a cell Then it eventually can become a cancer cell
And so it's, you know, multiple factors. I look at it as if that virus has its way, right? If it's gonna just do what that virus does, it's gonna gradually cause the cells to become more and more abnormal.
Dr. Doni Wilson (23:43.732)
If we can intervene, if we can go, HPV is positive. We're starting to see even mild changes. Let's start taking action. Let's help this person's immune system, protect them from HPV so it doesn't have a chance to get into the cells. How about we improve their vaginal microbiome so their healthy bacteria can stop the virus before it even has a chance to get there through the mucosal lining. How about we improve their estrogen levels if they're low in estrogen so that, you know, see,
start to go how can we actually create an environment that doesn't allow the virus to even do what it's trying to do and by the way that the virus doesn't just affect the cervix I mean that's one of its most common places that it goes is to the cervix however it's possible for high-risk HPV to affect the vaginal cells so even if a woman because sometimes the doctor will say just get a hysterectomy
Kim Vopni (24:22.44)
Yeah.
Dr. Doni Wilson (24:40.706)
But I always like for women to know that just having a procedure or a surgery doesn't necessarily remove the virus. So there's women who've had a hysterectomy and then six months or a year later, the virus causes abnormal cells vaginally. Now they have to deal with that and there's no surgery. They have only treatment for the abnormal cells, like chemotherapy, right? And so women are like, wait a minute, I thought this was supposed to be over once I had the hysterectomy and I'm still dealing with this virus and it's very-
upsetting and so I hear from them as well and I can help them as well with the same protocol. actually have
formulated vaginal suppositories that include some of these same nutrients and herbs that we use orally to be anti-inflammatory, anti-oxidants, anti-viral, vaginally, so we can help restore the vaginal environment a lot faster and help the cervix heal, help the vaginal cells heal. And just so women know, it's also possible for this virus to go to the vulva, so women can have abnormal cells on the vulva.
they could potentially have abnormal cells in the anal area and so it's important to know your body and potentially go to the practitioner who's going to be able to test you for these other areas of your body because and it's not to scare women but it's for you to be aware hey if this virus is active we need to know where it's active and then we can take steps to help stop it in its tracks we don't want it to keep going there's a woman I've just been helping from the UK
I help women around the world because women of course are dealing with this everywhere around the world. And she had been years of dealing with the virus, had a hysterectomy, then had abnormal cells vaginally, then found out she had abnormal cells in the anal area and the virus keeps coming back positive and the doctors are saying there's nothing we can tell you other than just keep treating these abnormal cells. within...
Kim Vopni (26:21.886)
Right?
Dr. Doni Wilson (26:44.586)
I would say is less than six months, within four months of following my protocol, she's been able to finally get the HPV virus to negative not detected. And now the abnormal cells are gone, the abnormal cells vaginally, anally, and it's such a relief for women, right? It's like.
Kim Vopni (26:57.426)
Wow.
Dr. Doni Wilson (27:03.488)
almost feels too good to be true at first because they've been tortured by this virus for so long and yet what a relief and to think that women are going through this around the world hundreds of thousands of them and women even dying of cervical cancer and other HPV related cancer without ever being told or without knowing that they could have done something about it.
Kim Vopni (27:07.753)
Yeah.
Kim Vopni (27:26.237)
Yeah, that's crazy. So one of the questions I had was how long does it typically take? So this person was he said, within about four months, is that average? Could it be faster? Does it take longer? Could it depend on the severity and how advanced it is?
Dr. Doni Wilson (27:40.588)
It does depend. lot of times we might not have, because the only way we're going to know that it's working is when they go back in for their next exam, which might.
Sometimes that's been as short as one month after they started my protocol. Most times it's more like three to six months after they start the protocol that they go back in for a recheck. So it may be, it might have gone away faster, but we find out at usually the three to six mark, six month mark. In some cases it takes a bit longer than that. Sometimes women are following this protocol for 12 to 18 months until they are able to get to that negative result. And there's multiple
factors for that. I think it's the complexity of their case, right? If they have more underlying susceptibilities. Let's say they have diabetes, so their blood sugar is unbalanced and their postmenopausal, so they have low estrogen and they have nutrient deficiencies and they have, let's say, mold toxicity which also makes them more susceptible. So we have more things we need to work through and that's going to take more time. And I think sometimes there's things like, of course, leaky gut itself.
takes time to heal. So sometimes we just need more time of implementing for the body to finally fully be able to protect itself from HPV.
Kim Vopni (28:59.273)
You mentioned this last person you were talking about is in the UK and that you help people around the world. I just think of now how crazy it is even just between United States and Canada shipping and tariffs. is it are the herbs and supplements? Is that something that people can buy wherever they are in the world on their own or did they need to have a specific ones sent from you? And then I'm assuming there's the diet component. So that's just adjusting how they're eating.
I guess I kind of want to understand the pillars or the foundations of the protocol and how somebody in the UK could implement it,
Dr. Doni Wilson (29:31.832)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (29:36.832)
Mm-hmm. Can implement. Mm-hmm. Yes, definitely the diet suggestions we can do by video. And so I have both recorded and live trainings where I teach them.
Kim Vopni (29:44.553)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (29:50.912)
and help them to even individualize the diet. We have a diet blueprint, but we also have here's how to make sure and individualize it for you. And so they start learning simply by videos and other, have meal plans and recipes that they can follow. And also the same for lifestyle. I believe that the foundation of healing from HPV is what I refer to as care, the acronym CARE, C for clean eating. So really cleaning up what we're
avoiding things that inhibit our immune system like sugar and alcohol and bringing in the foods that help our immune system like colorful fruits and vegetables and healthy protein and fat. And then the A in CARE stands for adequate sleep.
A lot of times women are just not getting enough sleep and of course it's when we're sleeping that our body's healing and our immune system's protecting us. So helping women to figure out why are they not sleeping and how do we help them solve that because they can do a lot of healing while they're sleeping. And then R in care is for recovery activities. So I guide them to learn what I refer to as recovery activities, which is essentially recovery from stress and trauma. Because what I actually find is one of the most common
underlying susceptibilities to HPV and cervical cancer is actually exposure to stress and trauma. Around the world, and there's research to demonstrate this as well, that when women are exposed to trauma, even from their childhood, it increases their risk of cervical cancer. So there's a study that shows that women who experience childhood abuse have a 96 % increased risk of cervical cancer.
Kim Vopni (31:32.87)
Wow.
Dr. Doni Wilson (31:33.674)
And so it's a high correlation with stress and trauma. And so that's why to me, I really emphasize for women, we need to help them start recovering from the trauma, let alone the stress and trauma of dealing with HPV. Because when women are going through multiple procedures and these scary doctors appointments where the doctor's telling them they might get cancer, they're in a state of stress and trauma and survival mode. And so it to me, it's essential. should be every practitioner helping them to recover from
that and so we do I teach them everything from biofeedback and guided imagery and meditation and breast work and somatic therapy and journaling and we really help them to look at how can we help your nervous system and your body recover from that stress and trauma so that your immune system can come back online and help you because we know that when women are exposed to stress and trauma including narcissistic abuse by the way is a very common correlation with HPV
When we're exposed to that, lowers our immune function. No wonder women are susceptible to HPV when they've been exposed to this and never put together that they needed to get help to recover, because there is so much we can do. So that's an essential part of the protocol. The E in care is for exercise, so I'm guiding them with what is exercise, just starting with movement if they haven't been moving, and I'm loving being able to connect with them with you as a resource, because how amazing to include
including not just general movement, but how to help heal the pelvic area and the pelvic floor because we're going to get more circulation and so much healing in that pelvic area, which is where we need it. And women are not getting that. And so that's a huge part of it. So the protocol, that part we can teach from afar, as you know, you do the same, right? And in terms of shipping, mean, most places we've, I say we've been able to ship, you're right. Sometimes there's more fees.
Kim Vopni (33:22.621)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (33:32.704)
and customs fees that are coming into play recently. So we have to work through based on the country, what that involves, but most times we can ship. some, otherwise I guide women, like I have, for example, one of the hardest places to ship to is India. And when I'm working with a woman in India, I show her, I teach her, this is what we're looking for. And oftentimes she's able to find that product and order it in from somewhere or else have someone who might be visiting the US.
Kim Vopni (33:35.305)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (34:02.648)
bring it back to her. So there's ways we've been able to still get these essential supplements and or suppositories to women wherever they are.
Kim Vopni (34:08.158)
Yeah.
Yeah, the suppository piece I think is so cool and super fascinating because it's when we take orally or even, you know, topically kind of transformal creams, I think there's absolute benefit there. But I know that many practitioners I've worked with more on the naturopathic side as well will formulate amazing ingredients into a suppository that it just it's life changing for people. So I love that you're doing that. That's super cool.
Dr. Doni Wilson (34:41.708)
Yeah, it's,
In the United States, the FDA regulates vaginal suppositories and so we have to go through a process to have them formulated to get help women get access to them. You can't just find them over the counter. And so it's something that I'm continuing to work on because I do feel so strongly that women deserve to have access to these very safe and effective. These were talking about nutrients and herbs in a cocoa butter base that can be so healing and helpful, right? Just like we use estrogen.
Kim Vopni (34:52.721)
Mm-hmm. Right.
Dr. Doni Wilson (35:13.4)
vaginally and we are starting to get more and more confident about how helpful that can be. It's like why wouldn't we put what we need right where we need it?
Kim Vopni (35:22.759)
Yeah, yeah, thousand percent. What is the, I don't know if it's the success rate is what I'm looking for, but in terms of people that are coming through your protocols, I think you shared something at the beginning. Most people can clear with the right tools. Yeah, that's extraordinary.
Dr. Doni Wilson (35:40.45)
Yes.
Yeah, we find and we're analyzing, we collect data and we're analyzing that data now. And my estimate is at least 90 % of women who follow the protocol. And in my mind, the thing is, is that with this protocol, I would just say to women, don't ever give up, don't stop. If the virus isn't going away, it means we haven't uncovered something yet. We need to look deeper and say, what are we missing? And when we do that, when we, anytime
woman still is testing positive and we say what else? How is it sneaking in? Why is this still happening? And then we address those factors. It goes away 100 % of the time. So I just look at it as it's a matter of time and willingness to stay after it for it to work.
Kim Vopni (36:30.313)
The point that kind of as we're wrapping up here, when you mentioned people reaching their menopause and they think, I'm, I don't need to worry about that anymore. And the vaginal estrogen component, now we have the black box removal, which I think is amazing because it will, there's so many people that didn't use that treatment. They were afraid of this warning and they weren't using it even though it was going to be beneficial. But most of the people are,
dealing with dryness and burning and irritation and the urinary urgency frequency. And now with the knowledge that you've just shared, HPV is another huge thing that I will be highlighting for people. We don't even think about it in that population. And yet that's a key from a prevention is keeping the vaginal, as you mentioned, keep the lactobacillus, the estrogen being the food for that, keeping that abundant, having the estrogen there, low estrogen states increase our risk.
That's a whole other, that's a light bulb moment for me. So I appreciate you sharing that.
Dr. Doni Wilson (37:33.88)
Yeah, absolutely. As you mentioned it, we know it makes women more susceptible to BV and yeast also. And when women have BV and yeast, they're more susceptible to HPV. And then HPV, my gosh, I read this study recently, HPV actually causes the environment to be more supportive of HPV. So it actually actively changes the lactobacillus for its own benefit. And so we have to be like, wait a minute, this...
Kim Vopni (37:39.635)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Kim Vopni (37:45.106)
Interesting.
Kim Vopni (37:55.261)
Wow.
Dr. Doni Wilson (38:03.884)
HPV is just trying to take over and if only women knew that they could take steps to say, no HPV, you're out of here. This is my vagina. I'm taking back control and I'm gonna do what it takes to make sure that that and a lot of women worry, well, what if I'm re-exposed if I have the same partner or a different partner and they have HPV, am I gonna get re-exposed and we're gonna just pass it back and forth and what's the point? And a lot of women ask me that so.
Kim Vopni (38:15.273)
Yep.
Kim Vopni (38:29.641)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (38:33.548)
I say, and they say do I have to not have sex while I'm treating it? And what I find is that
when we can go through these steps to really get the vaginal environment healthy again, and I love being able to work together on this, Kim, because I'm sure they get their pelvic floor healthy, their estrogen healthy, their microbiome healthy. They get this virus gone, and then they know what to do to maintain a healthy environment. So say they have sex with the same or a different partner, that HPV is not gonna have a chance because now all their defenses are prepared
And HPV is just going to not even have a chance to show up anymore because they're protected. And so that's what I teach women is we, it's not just about a temporary result. We're going for resilience so that you know, you can feel confident being intimate if you so choose and not constantly being worried about HPV and cancer at the same time.
Kim Vopni (39:28.701)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One final question I have for you is about the leap procedure. This is to my knowledge and please correct me. If somebody has been diagnosed, well actually two questions. Is all cervical cancer as a result of HPV?
Dr. Doni Wilson (39:50.858)
Great question. Is over 90 % of cervical cancers caused by HPV?
Kim Vopni (39:53.64)
Okay. Okay. so somebody has now had a diagnosis of cervical cancer. I've heard the leap procedure. I know people who've had that done it. As I understand it's sort of like, it's not quite cancer, but it will become eventually if we leave it, we'll do this procedure. But this is, you know, I'm thinking all the people that could have avoided the leap procedure by following your protocol.
So can you just talk about what the leap procedure is? again, kind of coming back saying, let's address the root cause before we just go and try to just remove it without addressing the underlying causes. Yeah.
Dr. Doni Wilson (40:25.442)
me.
Dr. Doni Wilson (40:31.277)
the end.
Absolutely. So when when you get your test and I recommend that women always ask their doctor for their test results because a lot of times then you're just you don't even know what your results are and you're in the dark and no wonder you're afraid and confused. say let me have my results ask your doctor for the results and sometimes quite often now doctors will recommend a biopsy to confirm is there abnormal cells and how severe are they. So if the cells are what are considered low grade which is also referred to as Ascus or
CIN 1, then you don't need a procedure. So the doctor will likely say, okay, come back in six months to a year and see if it progressed to high grade. Right? And I would say, don't just wait around, let's take action and prevent it from going to high grade. So this is a key time to be going to action. Now, if you get your results back and it's already what's considered high grade, so it would be CIN 2 or 3, it still is not in the cancer zone.
but it's right before it turns into cancer. Now your doctor is likely to recommend a LEAP or in some countries it's called a LETS procedure which is a procedure in the doctor's office to remove the abnormal cells. It can be associated with scar tissue and potentially damage to the cervix so it's important for women to know that or if you're over 50 years old the doctor might recommend a colonization or hysterectomy because they're thinking you're over childbearing.
age you don't you don't you don't you might as well just remove it all yeah right i'm like the women more and more are saying i don't think so i don't want to have my hysterectomy if i unless i absolutely have to so that's when the suggestion for a leap comes in is if it's in that cin2 three category and so just to know that you can have the leap
Kim Vopni (42:05.319)
You don't
Kim Vopni (42:12.318)
Yeah.
Dr. Doni Wilson (42:26.446)
If you need to right it's important if you have those CIN 2 3 cells we we want to remove them We don't want them to progress so we want to remove them. So to me that step one is let's address those abnormal cells But just know that having a leap or a colonization or hysterectomy doesn't kill the virus So you need to do step two, which is my protocol which is address the virus so it doesn't recur again you don't want to be in this repeat pattern of
going back and doing this whole thing over again and then feeling stuck. The other thing to know is that
For CIN2-3, there's a treatment that, as naturopathic doctors were trained to do, which is called escharotic treatments, which is an herbal nutrient treatment on the cervix to slough off those abnormal cells as an alternative to a leap procedure. So if your doctor is saying you have CIN2-3 and you need a leap, but you're thinking, hey, maybe is there anything else I could do instead? You're gonna wanna look for a naturopathic doctor or contact my office and I can guide you
and we can talk through is Escharotic treatments an option for your case to remove those cells and and it's a safe and effective way to You know to remove the cells without causing damage to the cervix, but you want to work with a practitioner who has really good training on how to do it and I just speak with confidence because I've Completed thousands of escharotic treatments in my career. And so it's just for women to know that those are options
Kim Vopni (43:51.175)
Right. Yeah.
Right. So you do recommend the leap when indicated if they have the more advanced as well as okay. So stage two, three, you would still recommend the escherotic or the leap and or or sorry not and or and doing what you are. But then if it's less the the I forget the acronym the ACS. Yes. Yeah. And one no leap no escherotic just focusing on your protocol.
Dr. Doni Wilson (44:01.742)
Yeah, you can see three.
Dr. Doni Wilson (44:17.115)
CIN1, the low grain.
Dr. Doni Wilson (44:23.63)
So either way you gotta address the virus because you don't want it to progress, you don't want it to recur, you wanna try to prevent procedures and surgeries and cancer. So to me that's the missing piece. Your doctor's unlikely to mention to you that you can do something to prevent HPV and even clear HPV to negative. They don't even talk about that yet. Even though it exists in the research and I see it clinically.
Kim Vopni (44:45.875)
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Doni Wilson (44:52.278)
case after case after case after case. And so I just decided, hey, instead of me just silently helping women over here, need to, women kept saying to me, Dr. Dhani, I wish more women knew this was an option. And so I really decided like, I need to start talking about this. And so that's I'm so glad to be here today and just help women to know you're not alone. There are options. You can clear this. You can free yourself from HPV and not have to be part of this just nightmare of dealing with HBV.
Kim Vopni (45:21.385)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Doni Wilson (45:22.212)
the rest of your life. It doesn't have to be that way.
Kim Vopni (45:24.765)
Yeah, I love the hope. Where can people learn more, potentially come and work with you and use your protocols?
Dr. Doni Wilson (45:32.494)
My website, there's drdonnie.com, which is DR.
Well, you can do drdoni.com or you can spell it out. And then I also have a website that's clearhpvnow.com. So that one might be easier to remember clearhpvnow.com and you can find, we have video testimonials, all kinds of written testimonials. So you can hear directly from women who've been through this process. And I have tons of videos and articles to help you know, and then you can always set up a call with my, my office, with my team and talk through your case. So you can feel confident, Hey,
Kim Vopni (45:46.889)
Yeah.
Dr. Doni Wilson (46:06.802)
what is available to you and what does that look like? And then I also offer, in addition to one-on-one care, offer group online programs where women can join from anywhere in the world to learn what exactly, how exactly do I implement this protocol? And so I just, it's so rewarding to know that I can help people wherever they are. And to be, my goal is to be reducing rates of HPV related cancer because I see that it's completely possible.
Kim Vopni (46:36.445)
Yeah, 1,000%. Well, this was super fascinating. Thank you for your work. And also thank you for sharing how you help people and providing hope in a place where it's always been kind of a hopeless place for people, I think. So I really appreciate you sharing. Thank you so much.
Dr. Doni Wilson (46:54.818)
Thank you, Kim. I appreciate you too.
